Ok guys, time for another infobarrel update.
It’s been a tad over 3 weeks since I started this experiment. So how are they doing?
Pretty damn good. I’m seeing a steady stream of $10 dollar days, with almost a 15 dollar day yesterday. I’m well on my way to making $20 bucks a day with them, with over 100 of these. I am seriously pleased with infobarrels right now. In fact, I think I am making more money with my infobarrels pound per pound than I did with Hubpages!!
What’s also interesting is that I have done pretty much 0 backlink work with infobarrels. Now, it’s hard to make a direct comparison. I was at about 140 Hubpages after about 2 and half weeks. So both were pretty similar as far as aging. Except that infobarrel is making me between 10-15 bucks a day now and Hubpages was probably giving me about 7-13 WITH ezinearticles backing some of the hubs up and 40% more hubs.
Now, one of these factors is that I’ve written like 500+ articles now and I generally have a pretty good idea what works with Adsense now and what doesn’t. So this may be a factor.
Infobarrel ranks pretty darn well though, right off the bat – equal to Hubpages, I’m thinking.
Now, I can’t really give any stats here because infobarrel has not yet “officially” integrated analytics into the program. However, my observation is that the page views are less than Hubpages (one a one to one comparison), but still pretty good.
Here is some proof of earnings.
Yesterday
last 7 day's earnings
total earnings in 3 weeks
Let’s talk money.
So, I’ve made a total of $83.79 USD the past 3 weeks. However, the earnings are growing significantly now. They started off slow — I think I made a few buck the first 7 days. Then I started to see some 3-4 dollar days the next week. This last week as been the best, with 3 solid 10 dollar days, and some 8/9 dollars. Yesterday was the best, with about $15. If you notice, I’ve made almost $60 bucks from the last 7 days…double what I made the 2 weeks before that. As you see, the earnings are getting MUCH higher as time passes. Perhaps the next 7 days will be 70 bucks or evern 100+ bucks. We’ll have to see. Regardless, the earnings are going up as they age. It should only be higher in a month’s time.
We’ll see what the takings for the whole month end up as, but $150 is possible. If my 10+ dollar a day earnings stay on track, I may be earning $300+ a month.
I’m pretty damn happy. I thought if I could eke out 5 bucks I day I would consider this a success. But with constant 10 dollar days with earnings now approaching the realm of 20 dollars a day, this is a smashing success.
I am confident I can be getting regular 15-20 dollar days next month — especially with backlink work. I’m so delighted with my success, I’m going to be adding a few hundred more infobarrels. If over 100 are giving me 10-15 bucks a day, what will 300 give me? Getting 30-40 dollars a day with 300-500 infobarrels is 100% possible, based off what I’ve seen. My ultimate goal in the next 2 months is to be getting $30-40 days with infobarrel.
So what does this mean for you folks? Get out and sign up for infobarrel if you haven’t. With some work, you can make some good cash — even hubpage level of earnings!
How to Make Money With Infobarrel
Everything I’ve taught you about hubpages applies directly to Infobarrel. And guys, it works.
Here’s a strategy for you guys to maximize your MMO earnings, especially if you are creating hubs. I highly suggest you use infobarrels to create backlink articles for your hubpage niches. You basically “double dip” here. Instead of just getting hubpage earnings, you get the strong link support from hubpages + extra money. If you do it right, you can make just as much money with infobarrel as hubpages, I’m thinking, if you put work into it. I’ve personally seen the light, and I’m going to try and get 300-500 infobarrels up within the next 3 months. I am going to make 30-50 bucks a day with infobarrel in 3 months.
Remember, backlinks are pretty key. I’ve managed to eke out a niche bit of change with no backlinks. But how much could I do WITH backlinks? Exactly.
I actually suggest the following chain: Create an ezine, link that ezine to an infobarrel, then link that infobarrel to your hubpage. All three topics are about the same keyword/niche. What happens is that the ezine will rank right away. The link juice will be passed to your infobarrel, which already has more authority. You can make money from that term with that infobarrel. You then use that infobarrel to send link juice to your hub/s. Your hub has quite a bit of link juice from the ezine + infobarrel link and will start to earn as well.
I’ll be doing more experimentation with infobarrels as the month progresses. I’ve been wanting to do more, but this clickbank thing is sucking 6-10 hours a day.
Click Bank Sniper Mini Update
So these are going well. Right now, I’m doing about 7-10 hubs a day, some info barrels, and 2 clickbank sniper sites a day. I actually just started creating them a couple days ago. I have about 5 up already but I’m quite behind. I wanted to have 20 up this week, but I’ve recently moved and I don’t have internet at my house (until today), so it’s been hard to get up early to get extra work done. Also, there was a steep learning process that took me a couple days to figure things out. But over the weekend and next week, I want to pump out 3-4 of these a day. These take me a long time to buid however. I’d say around 2.5 - 3 hours each — not counting any sort of promotion.
I can see how having 100 of these can make some good coin though. One of my sites is already ranking on the front page in a fairly competative niche — pretty much no backlink work involved. If you do it right, you can get on the front page. At that point, it’s up to your affiliate game to make the sale. I’m eager to see what happens once I have 20 or so of these on the front page, getting hops. I’ll keep you guys updated. It may be in month 2 that I really start to see some money from this — there is a LOT of learning involved here, but once you get the hang of it, it’s a breeze.
I have to say I am exhausted. Trying to pump out 2-3 snipers sites a day and 10 hubpages + links is taking most of the day — I also work 10 hours a day. It’s pretty brutal. But the money is worth it!
Rant
Now, I’m having a problem here. This blog has suddenly become pretty popular in this sector of the MMO world. It seems like that fact that I am bucking the traditional view that it takes years to make it in the MMO world. This means I’m getting hordes of people trying to copy what I’m doing, niche keywords, article format, even the actual articles!
I don’t know what to say here about this. Perhaps this is the price of success (though, I’m not at Grizzly’s level of earnings yet…but I will be in 1.5 - 2 years). I understand that no one “owns” a niche. But when I find my readers purposely trying to hunt down my ID’s and directly copy my niches word for word, I feel a bit peeved. If it was random Internet marketers, that’s part of the game, but to have people I spend my time helping here do that, we’ll that hurts.
Now, I myself was guilty of this way back at the beginning of the Hubchallenge. I had some inspirations from someone in the MMO community regarding their niches. And I ended up copying some of the keywords. The person wasn’t happy and I received an email that set me straight. The whole thing was more of an accident — I used some keywords in google adwords and start following the good leads and ended up with some of the same keywords. So trust me, I understand this can happen, either by accident or just ignorance.
But, you have to understand here. I am giving all this information for FREE to you guys. I’m spending a significant amount of time that I could be using to make more money online to help people out. Trust me when I say right now that time is really money for me. I don’t want to go out of my way to help people make money if they turn around and stab me in the back.
I am not charging you guys anything for the information that I’ve spend hundreds and hundreds of hours learning. I don’t have some sort of training program where I am only leaking tidbits of information to get you to sign up and pay me money to learn the full deal. I am giving you guys the whole picture, free grizzly style. So you might understand that it’s a tad upsetting to find out people are repaying my kindness by trying to hijack some of niches (yes – I know who you guys are). That’s pretty bad form guys.
True sucess in your own MMO endovores won’t come by copying someone elses ideas. Inspiration, sure, but copying, no. It’s a waste of your time in the long run.
Isn’t it better than you learn to improve your own keyword research so that you can consistantly pick good niches? Copying only gets you so far in life, and by doing so, you are just denying yourself the ability to improve your own game.
I think I can understand why Grizzly has pretty much abandoned his blogs. People were ratting out his networks, trying to steal his niches, and even giving him lip when he asked people to help write a negative, honest review about the Site Build It Scam. When people do this this type of thing, it doesn’t make me want to volunteer information or help people out.
/rant over.
I’ll still be helping people out here — it’s just a few bad apples from an otherwise good crowd. But I’m going to have to start being more secretive. In my excitement, I’ve forgotten that there are a lot of cut throats out there who are only in it for themselves — But I guess that’s the way it is.
In the meantime, I’ll keep you guys updated on my challenges and what’s going on. I’m really happy about this clickbank experiment, and I’m pretty confident I can make 1-2k a month with them, after I get about 70-100 out there. From what I’ve seen, there is a lot of promise. I’m also eager to get my 100 ebay sniper sites out there and my 300 article flagship blog project. But those will have to wait. It’s getting to the point where I may just kick in 1500 or so a month to outsource articles — having to write 400-500+ articles a month is taking 99% of my time right now. I need to get that time back.
Oh, I just had my best adsense day 2 days ago: $94 on Wednesday and $88 dollars yesterday (Combined with my other niches and stuff, I’ve seen two consistent $100+ dollar days). Not bad for someone who was sitting at $1 a day in adsense earnings about 2 months ago.
I’ve got about 30 adsense sites that I’ve been slowly nursing the past 4 months. But I haven’t done any sort of backlink work on them in months — I’ve been too busy. I think I’m going to throw up adsense on all of them and see what happens. May be able to eke out another 5-10 bucks a day.
Anyways, keep working hard guys. I’ve been at this game seriously for about a year. I spent the first 6 months studying SEO, reading and breathing Grizzly, and experimenting with niches. Now, I spent most of my time doing “research” rather than actually working. This is ok, I’ve learned a ton of SEO and how search works.
The keys to Making Money Online: Internet Marketing, SEO, and Work
In my experience, making money online comes down to three things: SEO, Internet Marketing, and hard work. Picture these elements as a triangle, which each elements a corner. SEO is the “medium” by which you can make money. SEO is all about improving your search rankings in the most efficient manner possible. In this game, you need to rank to make money, and that’s where SEO comes into play.
But you also need Internet Marketing to help “deliver” the money. Picture it like this. You are in a mall and you want to open a store. SEO would be the ability to position that store where the most amount of people walk by. But Internet Marketing is HOW TO SELL your product to the passerby’s. This means the advertisements, the selection of products for your store, your sales tactics to convince those people to buy your products. You can have a great store location in a mall — lots of traffic, etc. But if you don’t have the RIGHT type of products that people are interested in buying, if you don’t have the right type of advertising setup, you won’t make sales. THIS is what internet marketing is to SEO — the ability to SELL to that traffic, either via ad clicks or actual affiliate sales.
The next thing that’s involved in is hard work. You may know the principles of SEO, but if you don’t put in the WORK (and folks, it’s a lot of work) to SEO right, you won’t get results.
All the internet marketing skills in the world won’t get you a sale if there is no traffic. And it takes WORK to make that traffic happen. Internet Marketing is a skill. You have to understand what your audience wants and you have to be able to deliver it or convince them to buy it in an effective manner. This is probably the hardest part of the game. You may be great at SEO, but a shitty marketer. So, if you want to make some good money, you better get your marketing skills up to game. Look at affiliate sales pages, start to read guides about how to sell to people, take a business class at college.
I’m not saying you can’t make a lot of money only on SEO skills alone — traffic can be converted to sales, if you have enough of it. But you can make a whole hell of a lot more money if you know how to internet market effectively to that same level of traffic. You can even make good money off little traffic.
Keep in mind that it all requires hard work. If you are sitting around playing XBOX and TV most of the time, dreaming of riches online, keep dreaming folks. You know why I’m making money now? Because, I have been living, breathing this game for months — arguably an entire year. My thoughts are consumed with it, I go to bed thinking of ideas, and wake up with new ones. I dream MMO. I don’t have TV, I don’t play games. I’ve even put my sport’s activities on hold (I used to be a cage fighter). Now, I can’t say this obsession is healthy, but I’m willing to put everything on hold for a year to make some fantastic money. Once that kicks in, life will start again.
IF MMO is not your passion, not your drive, but some sort of hobby. GIVE up now. You are wasting your fucking time. Treat it like a real job and don’t bullshit around. Get shit done, set goals and you will see results. I’m still appalled that there are still people TALKING about making money here. “If I had 100 hubs, I’d…” or “I’m waiting to make enough money with XYZ before working on…”
“If I was”, “if I were”, I don’t give a fuckin’ care! That sort of bullshit is just an excuse for lazyness. Guys, I can tell you first hand how much you can accomplish if you are motivated enough. So stop dreaming and start doing.
You make nothing for a while, but if you WORK your fucking ass off (I do this 18 hours a day, every day) and you start to get a “feel” for how the process works, the money comes rolling in. And you know what? It’s EASY to make money online when this happens.
My efforts might be seeing me close to 3k a month now. So don’t talk the talk, walk the walk.
Ben Out
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I noticed the same thin regarding infobarrel SERP ranking. I created a hub, an ezine to link to it, an infobarrel to link to it and a few other article directories with links pointing to the hub, and the infobarrel is still ranking the best for the keyword and it is only ~300 words. I noticed that I have one (or some) same niches selected as you and I want to make it clear that this is accidental. Nice to see that infoB is working for you, i am also getting some clicks with only a few barrels and zero backlinks. Much more than i was getting with the same amount of hubwork
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July 10th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
@phillip — no, don’t worry, that was not aimed at you. There are some people who are outright copying everything, keyword, layout, even content!
Yes, I think infobarrel is a great way to make money — it’s pretty much on par with hubpages, I think. NOw, I notice my hubpage CTR is higher, so maybe you can make more money. But there is NO reason why you can’t make the same niches using infobarrel and use those for support + supplemental income to hubpages.
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Ben,
Thanks for the advice you gave me when I commented on your last post. You’re right - I just needed to wait for my pages to age. My hubs got 25 visitors yesterday (only 1 adsense click though), and none of my ezine articles have even been approved yet.
Do you have the same AdSense account on both your hubsite and infobarrel accounts? Any issue with google knowing that both pages are owned by you when there is interlinking between the two?
Sorry to hear about the people copying your work. I just want to let you know that you’ve provided great help by laying out these case studies in plain English. You inspired me to get off my ass and do some work (and I’m sure there are many others as well.)
Alex
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I love reading your posts as they confirm the fact that I’m not as crazy as I think I am. Sometimes I think MMO is a pipe dream but these last couple months have proved otherwise as my earnings are starting to climb–although not as quickly as yours.
“Not bad for someone who was sitting at $1 a day in Adsense earnings about 2 months ago.” Indeed!
My plan was to use Ezines to link to both Infobarrel and Hubpages. In the resource box send one link to the related Hub and the other to Infobarrel. Or is the intention of your method to send the most “juice” to your Hubs?
BTW–where’s your Paypal donate button?
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Woah how do you get so much done in just a few hours….I really admire your hard work!
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One thing I do notice is that when i find a promising keyword and look at the related ones in the adwords tool - and then check hubpages - the same hubbers come up over and over- that’s hardly surprising because we are all using the same technique!
About giving information away for free - classic Vic http://bloggerunleashed.com/bloggers/yup-people-do-not-appreciate-free/
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I haven’t finished reading this whole post yet, but I just had to say that I think that guy was way out of line by contacting you. Muthafucka doesn’t own his keywords - If he doesn’t like competition then he better get the fuck out of the whole internet marketing business and go quilt or make birdhouses or something. If someone tried pulling that bullshit on me I would just laugh and then proceed to ignore them. Fuck ‘em!
It does suck when people just flat out copy everything that you do, but such is life. In my experience those that just imitate what others do and don’t have any original ideas of their own aren’t really much of a threat when it comes to the SERPs. Just gotta roll with the punches and keep doin’ what you do…
By the way, how is this blog here doing in terms of SERPs? Ranking for any good keywords yet?
Sincerely,
The Ice Cream Bunny (aka Polish Wife, The Real Spencer Pratt, etc.)
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July 11th, 2009 at 8:53 am
@Ice Cream Bunny
thanks, mate. Yep, it’s just part of the game. In regards to what I did — it was more of an accident, but I can fully understand why that person was upset. Do I think it was an overreaction, probably, but I try to keep honest in this game (or as honest as a smarmy seller of clickbank pennis enlargements can be, lol), so I apologized and went my own way. It’s one thing if it’s a random person, but another thing if you actually know the person.
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thanks a lot Ben.Grizz,you and court are the only people really helping people make money.I will be linking to your blog in a few more weeks and i ask every other people who are reading Ben’s blog,to link out to this blog.It is a small gift that i give to you,Ben.You must come on the first page of google for MMO in the next few months.That is my wish.
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July 11th, 2009 at 8:48 am
@sarah
Thanks! yea, i’d be interested in seeing how this blog can rank in a competative term just from natural links. Unlike Grizzly or Vic, I have not been promoting this blog at all. That means I haven’t been asking people with relevant blogs to link to me, nor have I been using any sort of blog farms or support blogs to prop this up.
This term is competitive though — it’s been a couple months now but I’m not being ranked for anything major at this point. Well, I show up for “blog farms” but nothing in the MMO niche. This site does not have Google’s trust and probably won’t for more months. I suspect it’s sandboxed right now.
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Hey Ben,
Thanks for another fact filled, inspiring post.
I can understand your frustration. Like I posted to Grizzly, you are one of the few true Guru’s because you are sharing your vision for the good of others and not just to make a buck. In the end that may not be enough but I offer my appreciation for all the information you have provided.
This IM game can be very frustrating when you have all the pseudo-Guru’s hawking anything they can think of to take advantage of people who are honestly looking for direction. They really remind me of a bunch of sharks in a feeding frenzy. It wasn’t until I started reading Griz, Vic, Court and now you that I really felt I was getting a handle on what this business is about.
If you go the way of Griz and Vic it is understandable but I will be indebted to all you masters as long as I am in this game.
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July 11th, 2009 at 8:39 am
@agrande — no, please don’t call me a guru. I don’t even like that term, to be honnest — it’s smarmy. I may be a *bit* of an expert at SEO and Internet marketing, but trust me, I have a LOT to learn still.
Guys like grizzly, vic, and court have been in this game for 10 years. I’m still finding my way. I’ve probably done 20x the work as the average person, so you can’t help but learn by that. Really, this game is just about experience. You do stuff and fail and keep on failing till you find a model that works for you. Then you repeat — along the way, you learn new tricks that you ad to your game. I want to keep on learning new strategies. Maybe in a couple years, but until I’m able to pull the stuff Grizzly pulls, I don’t want to consider myself a “teacher” or anything like that.
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Hi Ben,
Sorry that people are lifting your work. The info you provide here is great, thanks so much for sharing it.
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July 11th, 2009 at 8:49 am
@Carrie
Thanks! That’s just the game, nothing you can do about it. But, my goal is to help people like yourself so I’ll keep chugging away!
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Ben:
You have absolutely no reason to worry about people stealing your stuff. If they are so lazy that they can’t manage to come up with their own keywords and writing, then there is no way in hell that they are going to compete with your work ethic. Heck, I reckon there’s only a handful of people in the world who could keep up with you.
Keep it up, man. And like others here, I put your posts in the same category as Grizz, Vic and Court, you are a true performer and honest to boot. Thanks for all the info you give, there are many who value it immensely.
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July 11th, 2009 at 8:51 am
@Josh
Yes, people who copy are too lazy to be a threat — I’m not at all concerned. Thanks for the kind words, mate!
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Nice to see the experiments going well. Nothing is more frustrating then people trying to screw you when you try to help them though. Such is life…
If you’re interested I’d be into collaborating on an experiment… I was thinking we could combine your hubpages with my “services” and see how much of a traffic bump we could give you. Send me an email if something like that interests you and we’ll iron out the details.
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July 11th, 2009 at 8:45 am
@DeMerchant — sure thing, I would be interested to see that as well. Oh, i’ll also be adding your link on my page. I’ve been so busy that I forgot.
Ben
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Ben, I think it was Lissie who pointed out on a previous thread that Google only features at most two pages from a single domain in their search results. So as long as your hubs/pages have more backlinks than that of the people theiving from you, they shouldn’t really profit because their pages won’t feature.
Another thing you can do is embed a link to your articles on a piece of punctuation within the hub - that way if they are stealing using feeds, they will end up giving you a backlink!
I know it’s not much consolation for the fury when you find your stuff stolen, but this is unfortunately the world we live in.
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Sorry to hear about that guy copying you. Are you on Skype? I was wondering which part of the world you lived so I might chat when we’re both up at 3am!!
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i don’t want to say this but.. at some point, you will feel hurt like Griz and you will stop. i know this will happen to any IMs that giving away free informations. but at that point, you will have many good friends that indebted with you (of course i’m too) that will like to help you. LOL.. btw, i think i’m in the same case of you. take around 6 months to read and try (experimenting). well, i just have one 2 months old blog right now, in page 2 with 2 mil “competition”(spend an hour everyday and i don’t think much about money). not bad huh? but you’re much better. i don’t like a person like you to be called as IM. it’s better with ‘STRATEGICIAN’. good luck!
p/s: don’t they know to make their own keyword research?? pretty dumb and lame. the will never reach the success level, LOL..
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Hey Ben,
It sucks when people steal your stuff. I’ve had it happening to me for years. Seems there are too many lazy assholes out there who prefer to steal articles rather than write their own. It is what it is.
Just something I picked up on infobarrel. I noticed some of my early post titles got changed by the editor - which screwed up their tightly targeted keywords. I guess just because they’re editors, doesn’t mean they know shit about SEO.
Anyway, good luck with all this, you’re putting the rest of us to shame!
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July 11th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Thanks Terry. Yea, it’s what it is in this game, you either deal with it or stop doing it, hah.
It could be if you are still waiting for preapproval, then the editors may make a couple changes. I haven’t had any trouble now that I’m preapproved though. But there are mods and admins who can manage articles — they can make changes, so it could be that this happened to you. Just re edit your article to make the changes you want.
I really do like infobarrel. I’ve actually become friends with one of the owners (it’s a Vancouver, BC startup — where I live). Very good guys and it’s been founded by all SEO who know their game.
Haha, yea, I just know how to work hard! Now if I was in Spain, I think my productivity would die!
Thanks for stopping in, Terry
Ben
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I’m not sure Griz has got sad and gone away. I’d guess he’s doing pretty well raking in (recurring) Keyword Academy referrals on that post that’s been up for a couple months now.
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July 11th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
@Nat
Yea, Grizz is still around. But I do know that whole site build it fiasco really pissed him off.
I’m sure he’s pretty busy, making his thousands per day.
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Hi Ben
Still can’t believe how much work you manage to put in! My friends think I’m obsessed with this and I don’t do 1/4 of what you do. I look forward to reading your posts, as others have said with Griz away you’re filling in the gap with great posts and lots of info. Thanks for all the free info and know we really appreciate it.
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hey ben, nice to see you’re also doing well with infobarrels! anyway, i started my 200 hubs in 30 days challenge yesterday, and i was able to finish 10 hubs. To my delight, as soon as i woke up this morning, i checked all of them and I’m happy to see that 7 out of them are already on the first page of google and yahoo for the keywords i was trying to rank! I’ve had 70+ total visitors from google now, and 6 clicks from hubpages. Totaled $0.26 only though! I’m guessing the ads still haven’t adjusted to show the high cpc ads that i targetted. oh well, it’s only the first day! I’ll try to make 10 hubs again later after hitting the gym first! rar! my plan is to divide my week into 5 days of doing 10 hubs each day, and the 2 days for writing ezines and doing back link work, and also keyword research for the coming week.
Thanks for the help mehn! good luck to us!
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Ben, glad to see that your diversification is going well. I think that if somebody wants to make a living online, the only way they can afford to quit their jobs is if they have multiple income streams.
Do you think that we may be overestimating the potential Google slap of Hubpages? Not only are you getting long-tail traffic on your Hubs, but you have proved that there is nothing too special about Hubpages because Infobarrel seems to be on par with the Hubs. What’s big G going to do? Make sure that no hub gets any long tail traffic from Google?
Also, will sending links to a hub with one keyword in mind increase the chance of getting more long tail traffic? Even though this long tail traffic was not in the backlink in the first place?
Keep it going Ben!
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Ha, yeah it was with articles I wrote before I got pre-approved.
I’ll leave them be now, they’re already ranking in their niches, so I’ll just bolster them up with some articles/blog post links etc.
I’m not so annoyed at the title change as I am at the fact that the urls came out with the editors titles and not mine. That dilutes the article’s chances of ranking on top for the keyword. But in my own plan, that’s not too much of an upset…
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Just a quick note to say how grateful I am to your blog posts. Your enthusiasm and motivation spurred me on and I am pleased to announce that I have completed my own 100 hubs in 30 days. I achieved it 4 days early. I started earning money 7 days after I started and have continued to get clicks every day since. My numbers are nowhere near yours but that is irrelevant. The point is I did it and am proof that you don’t have to be highly knowledgeable to do it.
I have started my infobarrels and hope to get 100 done in good time too.
I would urge everyone to reread the past posts to help keep yourself motivated. I didn’t think I could do it but I have and I look forward to watching the adsense increase.
Thanks again.
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July 12th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
@Tiptopcat
Congratulations! It’s not easy to get those 100 done — trust me, I know. You’ve done more than 99% of the people by just doing that. Just keep on pumping them out there and track your earnings. Adsense is VERY choosy. I’ve found that it’s a combination of niche (and the users who will be looking at that niche) and writing. You may have niches on paper that look killer for adsense, but the don’t get any clicks and other niches that you would never thing score clicks but do! Just keep up with it. If you don’t make 100 work, make another 100. If you are writing targeted hubs and infobarrels, you should get some clicks. Those some clicks add up to a lot when you have 200-300 hubs.
Ben
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Ben, when you mention that you’ve learned which articles will work with Hubpages, can you give any pointers? Are they a specific format or genre? When you use an infobarrel and ezine article to link to a hub, how many words are those generally?
Also, with info barrels did you know you outrank their site on page 1 of Google results? They owe you something extra for that! lol Thanks again for your help and great posts here!
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July 13th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
@MC
I’m going to talk about this in post, maybe tomorrow. As far as genre, you can make money in most, though more in some than others. Part of the art to making money online is to know how to pick niches, and depending on wether you are trying to get adsense clicks or affiliate market, the niches will change. For example, I found out that some skin care niches don’t do very well with adsense, but you can make a killing hawking skin care treatments through affiliates.
There are no firm rules. And, the better the niche (forex, insurance, travel, etc) the more money you can make, but the harder it is to rank. Ultimately, picking the right niches comes down to experience. The more niches you play around with, the better an idea you will have. There are no real tips here other than to say expirement in as many niches as possible.
I think I rank high for “infobarrels” but not “info barrel”. I should switch up the titles.
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Impressive amount of work you are putting into Hubpages and Infobarrel. I can understand the attraction to having a thousand Hubpages but I can also imagine what those 1,000 pages would do for you too on your own hosted site(s). I personally hate hosting my own sites but I do so because the properties are mine. It is much more convenient to build these one page wonders on Hubpages and collect some Adsense glory. But I wonder what would happen if you put your prodigious work ethic into (more) self owned sites. I’ve been flogging my own share of Hubpages recently as I joined the herd in creating page after page of (worthless) niche information for Adsense clicks. I’ve built one Hubpage (just about) a day and I’ve also built one site a week for the last few months (I am sick of writing content. lacking motivation. outsourcing here I come). And of course add in all the promotion efforts like BMD, BCD, EA, TKA blog posts, etc. Frankly I find that the money comes faster through my XSP sites. Money is money. Doesn’t matter if it flows from Hubpages, Infobarrel or authority site streams. I’m personally just concerned over the excitement over the Hubpages party. Plus I typically zag when others are zigging. I used to make some nice coin a year and a half ago with Squidoo. Now I’m lucky to collect $10 a month per account. Just a cautionary tale. Grab it while you can and make sure you have copies of all that work so you can deploy it somewhere else if/when Hubpages succumbs to the backhand of Google.
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July 14th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
@Lost Ball in High Weeds
Thanks for dropping by, Splork. I agree — I’ve very nervious right now with hubpages. I’m pretty sure they are going to get a slap at some point — I’m so sure that I’d bet my right hand on it.
I’m halfway there at this point and 1000 hubs should see me a pretty penny — enough coin to start buying up flagships and outsourcing thousands of articles. I’m determined to have a thousand or so self hosted blogs/websites in a year — hubpages is a means to that quicker. Yes, 1000 articles could really jazz up my own properties, but I can always take them down when the slap comes and redeploy. I’ve already started to delploy my own niche blogs in areas that have shown potential, thanks to hubpages.
I’m actually in a mad rush to pump out my own properties to prepare for the slap. This month, I’m in the process of creating 100 self-hosted click bank snipers, next month will be 100 phpEbay sites next moth, followed by 100 blogger blogs and a 300 article flagship blog. The hubpages and infobarrels are my spare time (10 a day keeps the doctor away they say). I’ve been trying to encourage people to put more effort into their own properties, but I seem to be preaching to the wind in that regard.
Ben
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Hey Ben,
Just checking in to make sure everything is OK with you. I assume you’re simply buried with work and haven’t gotten around to posting for a while, but I’m hoping it’s nothing more serious like
a) you’ve decided to follow Grizz’s lead and stop giving away so much valuable, free information to all of us (some -few, I hope- who may even be ungrateful f****ers who just talk sh!t and give you a hard time), or worse yet
b) something is going on in your personal life and/or health related that has prevented you from carrying on. Or possibly
c) you’re posting somewhere else and I’m simply looking in the wrong place (wouldn’t make sense to me, but who am I to judge?)…
Anyway, I just want to let you know that I (we) appreciate everything you’ve given us so far already, but we are now Jonesing for an update, man! Will you post again already?!?! :o)
Seriously, I hope all’s well and that whenever you are able to post again, we’ll have a TON of new information to read. Knowing your posting style, I may have to carve out a couple of hours to read it all and catch up…
All the best to you my friend,
K
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Ben-
I second K-Man’s comment…Your posts are the kick in the butt inspiration many of us need to pump out even 2 or 3 hubs or articles on a given day. Looking forward to the next update and having withdrawal symptoms, but understand how busy this work can make us all….Hope to read more of your updates soon!
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July 17th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Hey guys. No worries, I’m not going anywhere. I’ve been trying to pump out 3 snipers sites, 12 hubs and 5 infobarrels a day. I litereally don’t even have time for the bathroom. I’ll be creating another update post today.
Thanks
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Right on! :o)
I’d buy you a beer but… if you can’t even make it to the bathroom I guess it’ll have to wait for another day.
Good luck!
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I just wanted to thank you for your blog–I needed the kick in the ass. I was a corporate manager of a department with $16 million in sales before I had my daughter. MMO is my way to avoid a traditional job, but man is it a hard slog when you have a demanding toddler. I get maybe 3 hours a day to work and that’s it. This summer I hired mother’s helpers to try and extend that time, but it is rough going. I needed a suck it up pep talk. Thanks!
You have a great ‘voice’ as a writer and a beautiful eye as a photographer.
M
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July 23rd, 2009 at 1:11 pm
@Michelle, thanks!
MMO is a great way to avoid the traditional job. You don’t have to sell your life with MMO, but as long as you can put in 2-3 solid (no forum surfing!) hours of work, then you can get a lot done in a month. That adds up over time.
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Ben, thanks for this blog, I’m one of the many ppl who wish they found it years ago.
I’m going to start reading through your archives to try and figure out how you’ve done this hubpages thing differently from Court.
But I have a question about the infobarrels project. If infobarrels gives you a better revenue share than hubpages, and it seems to be doing better off the bat, why would you link them to the hubpages instead of linking the hubpages to the infobarrels?
Thanks,
Miri
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July 24th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
@Miri
Ok, the deal with infobarrels is that you rank right away, and sometime higher than hubs (going to experiment with this) for the same topic. You also get 75% of the adsense as opposed to 60%. You may think the difference is too minor to worry about, but it’s not. Up around the 100 dollar a day mark, that’s about 10 bucks a day or 300 a month. I go with hubpages as the primary money maker because they have a higher CTR — the layout is so ugly, and they have twice the ads that infobarell does, for now.
CTR for hubpages is higher than inforbarrel, sometimes double. However, this is compensated for to some degree by the higher adsense take. With 100 infobarrels that I have done 0 backlink work, I make close to 10 bucks a day (it can vary though), so not bad at all. It’s up to you of course. But as a backlink resource, infobarell is key. I am personally going to be getting 500-1000 infobarrel articles up soon. You should not rely on hubpages for your sole income.
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@ ben
i joined infobarrel. great site… Defiantely hard working and learning pay you in end..
How many different niche you write all articles all about….
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Do you have a problem with the relevancy of the Google Adsense ads that show up with your articles? I wrote a very laser targeted 1200 word article in a travel sub-niche. It is frequently searched with plenty of advertisers, and yet I am getting make money online ads aligned with it. I’ve written a similar article on my own blog and the ads align perfectly. It is frustrating because obviously no one is going to click ads that aren’t relevant and even if they do the clicks will only be worth pennies.
On a related note, anyone know if one’s account can be smart-priced because of poor conversions from sites like Infobarrel or Hubpages. Thanks.
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I just started with infobarrel and I’m telling you I really like it. Thanks for the tips. I’m getting indexed really fast (well only had 2 approved and 1 in the waiting list but hey gotta start somewhere) faster with info than hubpages. Have no idea about CTR on infobarrel since I just started, plus I’m getting some weird ads. I’m writing about raised GARDEN beds and getting mattress ads. LOL Ah well even gardeners need to sleep.
Thanks
Mary
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How are your Infobarrels going at this point? How many do you have and have you done any back link work for them? You said in a previous post that you’ve linked between them but not done any other back linking.
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thanks for this post… but i have something to share with ya guys..
I hate infobarrel, because it wont list your article if you posted an external link to your website (inlinks) !
yeah it is real they don’t give it an “internal link- and don’t include it in their sitemaps” so search engines can’t see it.. so if you want to post in infobarrel you better not to link to any external website… sneaky huh ?
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I absolutely love your no bullshit way of writing. It’s too bad that a few jackasses out there are having a negative impact on you and this site. The fact that you show raw concrete data and give out so many tips and wisdom is unlike any other mmo sites out there. I hope that those apples don’t impact your writing style though. I know it takes a lot of guts and altruism to be making these posts. Thank you.
Just a quick note on stealing niches, I actually spent a couple of hours just looking at the top writers on IB and looked at what articles had the most views. I just manually went through all the articles and jotted down some notes and the genre the articles were in. My reasoning was that since I didn’t know anything about writing articles, it’d be smart to view the playing field. It would be foolish to start writing tons of articles about your cat and then find out that they don’t generate views at all. What would you consider this? I don’t think there’s anything wrong to do some recon work first.
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Wow, this is a very interesting article. I have an account at Infobarrel and I would love to write more article now, thanks for sharing this nice info and I hope that your earnings will increase more. Good job!
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I was very impressed with your blog posting concerning InfoBarrel. I was looking too learn as much information as I could about this site and although I am only a month old on there - I am quickly learning. Your post really inspired me. I can only help but follow those that are successful in writing online.
I’m an active Ehow writer, but with all the publishing issues lately - I have been turning to InfoBarrel (Sorry for the infidelity Ehow, lol) Anyways, they are certainly very attractive with the contests and high revenue!
Anyways, I hope you don’t mind - but I wrote a post on my blog about your website. Also added your referral link on there so you can get commission from anyone who joins. You definitely deserve it from all the hard work you’ve been doing.
Thanks for all your info and Peace!
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This is great, how on earth do you manage to write so many articles in little time? do you outsource? are you allowed to outsource? would it be worth outsourcing?
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