Sunset in Kaohsiung, Taiwan
I thought I’d create a nice, short post this round to ease my blistering fingers a bit. Nope, didn’t happen. Once I ramble, I really end up rambling. I’m really going to have to start posting once every two weeks — these beastly posts are really starting to eat into my productivity.
No Bulshit Review of Niche Devil
Ok, so I’ve decided to put my other hubpages, info barrel, and clickbank projects on hold for the next 7-14 days and launch an “emergency” Make Money Online experiment to test out a new method of making money (Niche Devil). I’ve been wanting to diversify and get away from adsense, so this is a golden opportunity that could yeild some great affiliate revenue. Many who frequent Vic’s Make Money Online blog may have heard about Vic’s new product Niche Devil that people claim is a bigger, bader, and more Noob friendly version of BANS (Build a Niche Store). Now people claim a lot of things — I saw some idiots of TV the other day claiming that the Moon landing was faked — so that doesn’t mean anything, especially when you are trying to SELL a product to someone. Now, I do respect Vic and I trust what he recommends because of his reputation, which is why I’m going to test it out.
For those of you who don’t know, BANS sites are basically thin affiliate eBay portal pages for targeted products.
Still lost? Let me explain. You find a niche that has some targeted, “buying” traffic and set up a BANS site. Your website is pretty much becomes a (usually) ugly mash of content and eBay auction listings. Here’s an example of a BANS: http://www.homegrownsushi.com. Some people actually put some work into creating nice looking BANS, but most people created sheer crap that looked like eBay got it on with one of those old GeoSite pages back in the 90’s. The result of this unholy union is an ugly fucking page of listings. Fortunately for the site owners, search traffic would actually click on the links and end up on eBay.
The idea behind these sites is to basically to attract a reader looking for a product/solution and bombard them with images that same product going for cheap on eBay. The user clicks on the link and a lovely 7 day eBay cookie is installed. If you that person buy something right away or within 7 days, you get money. I’m not going to bother going into eBay’s convoluted payment system (something I barely even understand at this point) – suffice to say that if people you refer to eBay through a link click spend good money, you get paid a hell of lot for clicks.
I’ve been too busy with Hubpages, infobarrels, and Clickbank snipers sites to get around to hawking eBay products these days, though I do have a few phpBay sites (a wordpress plug-in version of BANS) that have generated 30 bucks over a couple months with virtually no effort on my part for backlinks.
Anyways, Google came down HARD on the whole BANS thing. Google didn’t just slap a few people lightly on the ass, they took a baseball bat to thousands and thousands of people. Folks lost their shirt – and probably their underwear too. Even worse, I wasn’t around actively selling them replacement hairy midget thongs. Ah well, you can’t have everything in this life.
Jumping on this craze, Vic over Blogger Unleashed Make Money Online blog suggested that people buy .99 cent .infos and throw up hundreds of BAN’s sites. Word seemed to spread and before you know it, a lot of fucking people were doing this.
Now, initially, people made some good money but it wasn’t long before Google deindexed most .info’s domains with a BAN’s template. Apparently, BAN’s left a huge footprint. There was a lot of controversy about what happened and more than a few people were angry at Vic for recommending this model of income. But, people did make money, and a few a lot of fucking money.
Well, Vic and his programming consultants have apparently been working on a sequel to the BAN’s software called Niche Devil – something the hype claims is brain dead simple to use and with a much reduced footprint. I only discovered this when I found this on Grizzly’ new post on his Make Money Online.
Vic’s promo video show that you can use Niche Devil to create niches sites in 36 seconds. Pretty fucking fast. Now, in comparison, it takes me a couple hours to set up a phpBay wordpress blog. Mind you, my blog actually has quality content and don’t look like crap. But that’s ok – these sites are build for the search engines and for people to click on the links.
There’s a lot of talk about this software getting slapped just like BAN’s. Splork, owner of the very entertaining Ways to Make Money Online blog, posted some doubts over at Grizzly’s blog about the long term viability of this new BANS on steroids software. I have to agree somewhat. But more on that later.
Now, this software promises to be an easy way to make money online for all the newbie’s. I had some problems with this selling point because there is no such “easy” way to make money – hawking something as “easy” smacks too closely of all that PPC MMO shit you see coming through those Google Ads.
Now, besides the very-probably-greatly exaggerations about how easy it is to make money with ND, the software looks pretty damn amazing for being able to “instantly” deploy a niche blog, but the key here is going to be some serious volume. It’s hard to beat getting a niche blog fully equipped with spun, keyword rich content, videos, categories, and eBay auction links in that amount of time.
Niche Devil supports ebay, amazon, and chitka affiliates and, apparently, has quite a bit of flexibility in regards to some customization if you want to get down and dirty.
How to Make Money Online with Niche Devil
So with all this hubbub in the Make Money Online world about Niche Devil being a waste of time or a miraculous way to make money, I decided to test the waters for you people.
Now, most earn cash online blogs will recommend MMO products to people with out ever testing for bullshit first. I personally find that kind of funny; how can you recommend something you have no fucking clue about it? The worst offenders are shills like pro bullshit blogger and John Clown who make their money by selling bullshit to the masses. Whatever, less competition for people like me.
I’m not going to do that here, no, I’m myself am going see whether Niche Devil works or not by deploying between 500-1000 Niche Devil websites within the next few weeks. Yes, that wasn’t a type. I’m going to try and pump out 1000 sites.
I’ll be in a pretty damn good position at that point to recommend or not recommend Niche Devil in two weeks.
I’ll be promoting primarily ebay, but I may have a few hundred sites with Chitika /Amazon to see how these affiliate platforms do. Ebay has been a bit touchy lately and I’m almost afraid of getting banned with this sort of site.
As with my Hubpages, Clickbank, and Infobarrel experiments, I’m going to post my earnings and stats.
It seems that Vic is only selling this for 14 days before taking it off the market to prevent over saturation – a good idea, if it’s true. So if you want to try to cash in on this, you are going to have to take a risk and buy it now or not at all. If you want to join me on my mad quest and buy me a coffee at the same time, buy niche devil here with my affiliate link. Again, I don’t know if this software will do what it promises, but I am going to sell my life for two weeks to find out. How’s that for a sales pitch?
I’m doing this experiment with a couple friends and we are going to push this thing to the extreme. If Google starts a deindex, it’s going to because I’ve single handed clogged up their index. I am shelving all other projects because I think there is a lot of money to be made for a short period of time here, so I want to ride this wave while it’s still a wave.
If there is anything I’ve learned over the past 3 months, it’s that volume can make you a lot of money. Most people who fail at MMO create a couple sites, baby them, and then bugger the fuck off when they make nothing. Still more people fail because they create a dozen or so sites and, for whatever reasons, find they are only making a couple hundred bucks. Folks, volume can bring in money.
Let’s use an analogy here (I seem to like these). If you are going to set up a store, you want more one or two items on the shelf. But most people don’t seem to understand this in MMO. Their fumbling around in MMO is equivalent to someone setting up a “shop”, putting out 1,2, or 3 items for display, and wondering why people who visit don’t buy something.
Guys, you have to put out a LOT of different items (niches). The more items you have in a store, the more of a chance that someone will likely “buy” something.
Is this the ONLY way to make money – certainly not. I’ve stated that you can make a lot of money from solid authority blogs in the right niches – but these types of blogs take a lot of time, both in developing content and creating backlinks. Unless you know exactly what you are doing and/or have deep pockets to buy authority links, you won’t make money for months at least. You can also have a few dozen niche blogs that you consistently SEO to reach the top SERP’s.
My MMO model right now is volume cause I see it works and it can work pretty damn well if you do it right.
Now, in regards to Niche Devil web sites, I know you can make money from these types of sites. Maybe not one, but 50,100,500,1000 of these? You better believe you can make some money. So, if there is any money to be made, I’m going to do it, and try to do it quick.
It’s my experience that you can make money with eBay just from targeted trickle traffic. We’re not talking about trying to create a website with thousands of people a day, or even hundreds. The goal here, like my hubs and infobarrels, is to get a handful of people (3-6) LOOKING for a product or solution. These ugly ass ND sites are merely going to point the way. If I can get 3-10 laser targeted people a day to each site, that’s between 3k-10k people a day if I get 1000 of these sites up. Folks, that’s a lot of fucking targeted traffic and I’d be willing to bet were talking thousands of dollars a month.
Now, let’s talk about how I’m going to accomplish this mad venture. You must think I’m crazy, to state that I’m going to do 1000 or so sites in two weeks. Maybe.
Niche Devil takes all of the actual “work” out of setting up a site. When you set up a wordpress site, you need to upload the site, choose layout, add the plug-in, put in the content, and in the case of a niche store like phpBay, manually add in the keywords for the ebay listings to be shown. Basically, you can spend a couple hours just dicking around with site creation.
Now, I want to be very clear here folks. I’m in this for some quick money. I am FULLY expecting Google to fucking beat the shit out of Niche Devil sites – the question is, how much money can I make before then? The money I make from riding this wave will be used to fund my expansion into more stable areas. If Google never ends up slapping these sites, well, I’m laughing.
I also have a greater strategy here as well. I’m going to use these ND sites to quickly test out the waters of new niches – much like I’m doing with hubs. Even if I don’t make any money with these, I will a ton of sites to use to support other sites and a fairly good idea about what niches are good or not. If I find some Niche Devil sites are raking it in, I’m going to put up a quality niche blog in that niche.
Where do I Start?
I’m predicting that this is all about numbers. As stated, if I can find need related niches and drive targeted traffic to ebay for products in these niches, I should start to score sales.
I’m going to be primarily working with ebay. For best results, you need to find products that people will be likely to buy on ebay and not just head to the local Wal-Mart. Ideally, you want to find buying keywords here, keywords that include “cheap, discount, for sale, buy, etc.” Someone that types in “cheap red hairy midget thongs” is more likely to buy hair midget thongs over someone who just types in “red hairy midget thongs.” Product names are also good to target here.
Now, I don’t have time to really throw backlinks. I’m going to keep my backlinking to a BMD run and maybe a directory submission. I can’t write an ezine/hubpage/infobarrel for these sites and I really don’t have time to do link exchanges to get extra links. If I find I am raking it in with some of these sites, I’ll work the backlinks. But for the first phase, I want to see what’s going to happen. Vic claims you get instant indexing with these sites — we’ll see.
I’ve already registered about 100 domains, set up a brand new server with a different hosting company, and I’m pulling out special mass domain management tools to help manage hundreds/thousand of upcoming domains. At this point, I’m going to start throw up the sites tonight or tomorrow morning.
A lot of people fail to make money online because they hesitate to take any sort of risk. What if Google bans my hubs, what if eBay goes bankrupt, what if my pet donkey dies? Guys, there is nothing certain in life. But one thing is certain: you are going to have put yourself out there and risk failure to find success.
More About Ethics and Making Money Online
Now on a different track, some people seem to have some issues with the whole rewriting thing (people have been sending me messages with “what the fuck are you saying taglines”), especially since I mentioned Human Rewriter as a cheap source for high quality rewrites.
I spent some time on my last post talking about the ethics in Internet Marketing, so I won’t rehash the whole is it ethical to rewrite thing.
Folks, the bottom line is that ethics in this game is going to really hold you back. It’s sad, but so very true. The Internet marketing world is a dirty dirty world, full of liars, cheats, and assholes who will do anything to make money online. If you want to play the game, you are going to have to put your respectability on pause for a bit.
You are going to have to deal with people who will steal from you, people who will cheat, and people who will fuck you over. You better have thick skin and you better be able to dish out some of what you are given, otherwise, you can just do this.
You know WHY you don’t show people your niches? It’s not so much that you don’t want people copying you, it’s because your competition has no qualms about click bombing your ads so you get banned from Adsense, or reporting you to Google for the slightest pinprick of illegitimacy.
To be worried about rewriting articles tells me one thing guys – you are thinking like a fucking blogger and not like an Internet Marketer. And that is a fucking big mistake that going to cost you. Don’t fucking look at the tree twigs when you should be looking at the forest. Do you want to make money or do you want do be poor?
Make Money Online with Ambition
It’s important that you guys be ambitious. If you see something that might work, go for it. That’s what I’m doing with this Niche Devil opportunity. Can it fail horribly and waste two weeks? Sure. I’ll lose money on my investment and look like a fool here. But you know what? I don’t fucking care. I want to push the envelope and see what’s possible. I think I can make some money here and I’m going to try and prove it.
A lot of people who have accomplished phenomenal things have had to take risks. If you always play it safe, you’re going to get safe…and be small.
If you see an opportunity, you take it. I hear a lot of people say they are afraid to try new things because Google may ban it or you. Folks, as long as you are not doing something stupid, you don’t have too much to worry about. And if Google comes at you swinging, you roll with the punches.
You should NEVER stand still because you are going to get knocked the fuck out. I’m making some decent money right now, certainly not Grizzly, Court, or Vic levels, but I’m very much on track to my 20k a month in a year goal.
I can sit on what I’ve made and feel good that I’ve accomplished something, or I can push myself to achieve something greater. Life is a race guys and I don’t just want to make it to the finish line, I want fucking first place! And you guys should too. I’d say in this game, you need to be as ambitious as possible. Don’t look at the roof when you should be looking at the sky, because all you will ever reach is that roof.
Go Make Money Online
Ben Out
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Oh f*ck it I thought the smoke screen of “its like BANS it will fail” had worked and no one would get around to actually doing the work! Bugger -now you re single handed try to build more sites than Vic - I better get my shite together for my own experiment!
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admin Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Go for it lissie! I’ll sure you’ll do well with this!
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Dude I knew this was coming from you, can’t wait to see your results on this.
I am working hard too but I am not ready to buy a crazy bunch of domains just yet. I will sit this round out and keep doing my thing. If you taught me anything it is that lots and lots of hard work will get you there.
I would do the devil thing if I quit my day job. But I just can’t. Not yet…..
Good luck on it Ben. I am hoping you blow it out of the water so I can kick myself but good…..
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admin Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:08 pm
thanks Skinny — the jury is TOTALLY out here whether I can make money with this or not. I’m expecting that I can, but I can’t make promises. But, it my attempt should give all you guys a clear idea at least what’s possible or not possible with this system.
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All I will say is good luck to all those who enter this Niche Devil website challenge. Sounds scary. I think I’ll stick to the hubs, the info barrels and the blogger blogs til i have a better understanding of the whole keyword process.
@Lissie - I also look forward to hearing about your results. Give the guys a run for their money.
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I loaded up Niche Devil on a few empty domains of mine that are on Hostgator. Maybe it loads faster with Ebay, but using Amazon, the pages load slow as fuck. When I tested it, it was coming up with 22s just for the index page to load. Who the hell is going to stay on the page long enough to click the completely irrelevant Amazon listings?
And it is way uglier than BANS. Oh man.
You can totally make money with thin affiliate sites. I had a ton of them before I bought phpBay and cleaned up my act. But all of the listings were pinpoint relevant to the keywords I loaded. Now maybe Amazon just has the crappiest API going (which I can believe) so it just isn’t the way to go with Niche Devil. But since I’m not about to risking losing my EPN account for a couple of month’s worth of income until Google bans the hell out of these sites, I already put in for a refund.
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admin Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Yea, i’m going with ebay for this one. I am a bit worried about getting a ban from them to be honest, but I’ll roll with the punches. I’m not making any significant income with them at the moment anyways. If I get banned I’ll reapply under a business entity.
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Damn. I would have loved to buy ND through your affiliate link. My goal is to pump out a few hundred sites in the NeXT few days. Everything else is on hold, just like with you.
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admin Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:05 pm
yea, take advantage of this while it lasts! You may make nothing, but you may make a killing. We’ll see in a week or two.
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Ben…..or anyone else who is going to do this…..are you planning to leave these sites in their original, “ugly” state? My impulse is to stick headers on them and try to make them at least look presentable. Am I missing the point of these sites? And if you are doing hundreds of sites, how much time would you be putting into keyword research?
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admin Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:03 pm
KCMark — ugly is what works. I’ve heard Frank from Optempo is working on an ugly theme for ND — I wouldn’t mind testing that out. The uglier your site, the better it tends to do CTR wise. I wouldn’t sweat about this. However, it’s probably a good idea to change the layout/look every 50 or so — you want to leave as little a footprint as possible.
Funny but oh so true. I’m doing keyword research, but I’m focusing on just getting stuff out there asap — I’m only aiming for a few people a day with each ND site really, which should be too hard to achieve.
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Adsense Lover Reply:
August 1st, 2009 at 5:10 am
Point to be noted…Once i saw in Dp forum Thread. One guy was making 2000$-3000$ per month from 100 blogspot. when i saw his blogspot site… that was ugly like hell…i never saw such ugly webpage and google ads anywhere on page….
I thing ugly works. whenever visitor reach to to his blog suddenly they leave from clicking on ads.
But how much time this will take to make 100 blogspot and getting 5-10 visitors without any backlinks….???? i think it is f…g loads of work.
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The uglyer the site, more likely you are going to get clicks. Plus I am going to go with 50-100 sites per day, so no time to draw fancy banners.
@Ben
Did you find any cheaper .infos than godiddy?
Are tou using hostgator for hosting?
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admin Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:01 pm
.info with godaddy and builk are .89 — pretty cheap. I’m going to be testing to see how they do though — I have a suspicion you don’t get the ranking bonus that you would with .com/.net/.org — but we’ll see. I’ve got 100 to throw up today.
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I’m still on the fence about getting ND or not. Not because of the cost but because I have so much crap on my computer than I plan to ‘get around to one day’ that it’s piling up.
My to do list is already massive, not sure I want to add another job on top of it.
Tracey
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admin Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:41 pm
It’s one of those risk’s you’ll have to take — only buy it if you are going to throw up at least 100 though. The initial investment will be about 200 bucks + time (100 .infos will cost about 90 bucks, and software is 97). You can get a refund if it doesn’t work out. If you are having doubts, it’s probably better to pass though — with something like this, you are going to have to commit.
I thought about it myself — by diverting my time, I’m technically losing money since the other stuff I’m doing is steadily increasing my earnings, but I need to really diversify and this program is still new — it’s not being abused yet (the ND forums only have a few people in there atm).
You can always wait and see what sort of results I get — Vic may release the program in the future again.
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If you download today’s upgrade Rob has added the option to go to the main file and change all your divisions do a quick search and replace and your footprint will be totally different then any other ND site again focused on eliminating massive de-indexing which was and is the massive Achilles heal of BANS.
While a lot of people got there sites de-indexed with Goolge in my case I lost about 20% of my sites and Rob lost none once I saw what was happening I recoded BANS to have a different footprint but I am nt a real coder like Rob so he was able to do this quick and saved his whole network.
If ever ND owner makes the changes we suggest there should never be a massive de-indexing of ND sites.
Some fucking noob does some dumb ass shit we do not have to worry about all of us getting the shaft.
As for losing eBAy EPN look nobody has lost an account with BANS why the fuck would they lose it with ND that makes no sense.
And if people really understand ebay they are complete black box accounting including there approval and suspensions process not one person can explain shit for this company.
Also make sure you try Chitika I have to say this has been an amazing fucking surprised we are getting stupid results 10-20% CTR with AVG CPC of 10 cents to 30 cents if you consider this is for an automated script then the possibilities are insane.
BTW the main reason Chitikas CTR is so insane is cuz they are doing as a company what we used to do in the hey day of placing pictures next to the adsense block before google came out and banned it in there TOS but this time we do not even have to do that CHitika does it for us which is insane even felt nostalgic seeing ad blocks with little thumbnails of chicks in bikinis again so like the hey day of photos in adsense blocks.
Good Luck and hope you cash out good
Vic
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admin Reply:
August 1st, 2009 at 12:32 am
Thanks for dropping by Vic. Good information, I’ll get that update — if we can hide our footprints good, then awesome. I’m impressed with the software so far, so good there.
My worries with ebay is because they are being stupid retarded right now, banning left and right, shelving affiliates. Seems like they are in some troubles. They really treat their affiliates like shit these days. I had to apply 4-5 times trying to get EPN approval.
Chitkas, I’m hearing good things about. Nice to hear that type of CTR, I’m going to have to devote 200 or so sites only to those and she how she rolls. Appreciate the advice Vic!
Btw, are you still using Domain Dashboard? I’m trying to find a way to manage a thousand domains and apparently, the author is giving away the old version for free, which I have. Domain management is sick, though the mass FTP/domain creation thing is fucked up with host gator.
Ben
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Vic Reply:
August 1st, 2009 at 1:17 am
I hate fucking people that developed a product that works and sure enough then they try to make a model where they can make recurring income I love DD but now no more updates and shit it piss me off so much! Brad Callen is doing the same shit now also with Keyword elite and SEO elite I changed all his product links to Market Samurai which seems to bet getting better and better every day.
As for eBay man I have no idea what is up with this fucking company it seems every day they want to be more like Amazon which to me just makes no fucking sense even there affiliate expulsions make no sense what so ever I will say this and only can talk about personal experience all my eBay income comes from BANS I have never created widgets or shit like that for me eBay is about making tons of sites if there was one person that would fill the bill to kick out because of thin sites it is me and not only has that not happen but my quality score is always high which of course don’t ask me why cuz not even they could explain there own quality score system you read the shit and feel like braincells dies after trying to understand it.
BTW I am trying to convinced Rob for us to do a DD type solution probably based on the Air Platform so also Mac and Linux users cuz the day will come HG upgrades Cpanel and yup there goes our ducking logins to Cpanel and we cant use DD anymore.
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admin Reply:
August 1st, 2009 at 2:13 am
Yea, I’m noticing a lot of MMO software developers are doing that. SEO Elite / Keyword Elite, what a scam these days. MS is far better.
Your not the only one who has no idea what the fuck the ARCU thing is. The only thing I know is that if someone buys stuff, you get a lot of fucking money for clicks. And if someone buys something expensive, even better. Expensive stuff on a regular basis, and your laughing all the way to the ebay bank. I hope eBay doesn’t try to pull that shit they pulled with 3rd party affiliate links. At the rate they are going, they are going to announce BANS style sites are banned. Idiots — who makes them the money? Another reason why to play around with Chitkas at the same time (but not on the same site, hah).
Damn, I was hoping you had some other DD like software. If you could get Rob to make something like that as a future project — and improved version of DD without the bugs and updated — that would go perfectly well with something like ND. I can’t see how anyone can track more than 100 domains without DD software, but from what I’ve seen on the web, there’s not too much out there. Guess that tells you how many people have more than 100 domains
Ben could you add the subscribe to comments function cause your comments are looking like going the the way of Grizz’s and I could get distracted working and miss something LMAO
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admin Reply:
August 1st, 2009 at 2:05 am
done lissie
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Damn. Nice to see Vic participating. I am currently at work sweatin my ass off, wanting to ne at home building some sites. Maybe ten minutes per site (incl keyword research and domain and hostin settings.) wuold put me to ~15hrs of work for a hundred sites. Can’t wait for that!! Do you know any massive domain management tool for Osx?
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Phillip Reply:
August 1st, 2009 at 2:19 am
ahh.. that one got answered before.
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I’m afraid I’ll have to sit this one out until sometime in the future. I don’t have deep enough pockets to cover any of it right now, but I do so love playing the game.
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admin Reply:
August 1st, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Yea, I know how that is, trust me. It’s not too pricey if you go all out on .infos and the software (under 200 bucks), but the time can be a big commitment for sure. Thanks for stopping in RT!
Ben
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Wow, I can’t wait to see the results you have!
I wish I was at an age that would let me able to try out this stuff, just happens to be that I still got school
This is such an exciting area to work in, as you make things work yourself, not especially by being “higher” in the social ladder to get a better job.
And boy oh boy Ben, I’m sure you’re going to force this programme to work, no matter what. I reckon Google may do some slap on it in the future if all teh n00bs mess it up.
Good luck! (P.S. When will you firts start reporting on what happens to them + how many have you made so far ;D)
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Guys, you seriously need to click the “do this” link. Laughing till you almost pee is something you need to do once a day in this business.
Ben, thanks for your take on ND. The only way to find out is to take a risk and try.
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admin Reply:
August 1st, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Haha, yea, I thought that was a funny link, glad other people agree. Yea, I feel pretty good about ND. My own experiences with phpBay really gives me some confidence here — it’s very easy to get sales with just trickle traffic in some niches — they key is volume.
Ben
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hi,
You are now one of the chosen few. I mentioned your blog and you have been added to Griz’s sidebar so I am sure lots more people will discover your site and the great information that you are providing.
Look forward to your ND report.
Good luck.
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admin Reply:
August 1st, 2009 at 3:16 pm
So your the guilty one, eh! I’ve been getting some extra traffic from grizzly’s site, hah.
Yea, it’s means a lot to get a nod of approval from “the grizzly man”, he was the one that inspired me to start IM and MMO about a year ago.
Thanks for your mention
Ben
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Griz Reply:
August 1st, 2009 at 7:15 pm
I um… take no responsibility…
Nice job Ben - you’ll do well.
Cheers
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admin Reply:
August 2nd, 2009 at 12:04 am
Haha, thanks for the link Grizzly! Hope I do well too, my private beach in thailand is calling my name…
Best,
Ben
Heard so much about this from ‘it’s a load of rubbish designed for noobs who don’t know anything’ to ‘it’s the best piece of software on the net’ I will be very interested to see the results of this. Glad you are going to make some with Chitika and Amazon as some of us can’t use eBay (being banned but that’s another story!)
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admin Reply:
August 1st, 2009 at 3:23 pm
yea, going too have 200 chitika and 200 amazon. Janet, have you thought about trying to create a business entity? I know you are living abroad, but that might be something worth considering, or even getting a family member to sign up for you. You had quite a love affair with ebay for a while and I’m sure you could replicate that with ND.
Ben
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janet Reply:
August 4th, 2009 at 7:02 am
I have thought about creating a business entity but I have no idea how to do that where I live! I already used my daughter for the original eBay account as they wouldn’t accept me in my country. Other family members I’ve approached have been a bit hesitant as they have no idea what I’m doing and seem to think its something a bit dodgy! It would also cause some problems with income tax for them.
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admin Reply:
August 4th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Yea, i can imagine asking family starting with “I was banned from ebay, so could you I use your information” may not go down well. You may be able to apply to start a US corporation/business identity online — not sure the exact details though.
I wrote 20 hubs in last 7 days… but traffic is pethatic.. i will write 30 more hubs. if ill get some success than i will continue with hubs.
Hubs not getting rank at all google… same article i wrote for hubs and and others… even xomba is better. i think without ezine support hub will not survive.
i am going to write articles for very low competition niche now.
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Super post, Need to mark it on Digg
Dirnov
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I tried many times to get accepted for EPN and couldn’t although I had an affiliate account with them via CJ before they changed. I looked at buying ND just for Amazon etc. but decided against it, mainly as I already have an Amazon plugin and still don’t use it as much as I could.
Will be watching this experiment with great interest Ben as I have an idea how to adapt it to work for me. Also keep us posted as to whether these sites are indexed right away.
Good luck!
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btw gorgeous picture!
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admin Reply:
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:27 am
thanks
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Oh and ND is already sold out!
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admin Reply:
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:27 am
Yea, looks like Vic is serious about keeping this thing underground — not sure what’s up. Ah well, might keep the masses from screwing it up. Well, creating my FIRST site now. I’ve spend 3 days dealing with hosting issues. Finally got that worked out, lol.
These things are brain dead simple to pop out. Good stuff so far.
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What in the fuck? Sold OUT? I was going to buy it today… Well, glad they changed it from 14 days, to whenever they decided they did not want to sell it. bullshit.
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admin Reply:
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:23 am
Yea, not sure what happened lol. Maybe Vic was worried that the program was getting too popular or something. Ah well, I’m liking it so far. They are ugly as sin, but I see some potential with a lot of these. I’ve been spending 2 days trying to get new hosting and sever stuff worked out, but looks like I’m ready to start this thing, finally.
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Ben, just out of curiosity, are you doing this all while being employed or have you quit your job?
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admin Reply:
August 2nd, 2009 at 10:24 am
working 10 hours a day at my “regular job.” I make more online that I do at my regular job, but I want to track my income over 5 months, making sure I diversify into different income streams as well. The last thing you want to do is quite and find your adsense has been banned or your money sites are deindexed!
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Nick Reply:
August 2nd, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Impressive Ben. Keep it going.
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Phillip Reply:
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:19 pm
I am still pretty much amazed at how you can work 10hrs a day on your regular job AND internet marketin. When do you get some sleep Ben?
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Ayyyy Ben, I already know you’re going to kick some major @$$ and are amped up about your project!! First of all, good luck (something you don’t really need but I’m giving it to you anyways). Secondly, I hit my record high at around 33 bucks yesterday and it felt REALLY good…
Though I’m not yet at your level on the MMO mountain, I’m at a really good place right now… Anyways, I’ll be interested to read about what goes down w/ your NicheBot experiment. Oh, and If I happen to come across any sites about midget thongs, I’ll know wussup
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admin Reply:
August 2nd, 2009 at 11:16 am
fantastic mate! Keep on doing what your doing and you’ll be at 100 bucks a day in no time. When the money comes, it REALLY comes.
Was that all hub revenue or a mix?
Ben
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It was a diverse mix between Hubs/IBs/ and my own self-hosted sites (that have really surprised me with their earnings lately). Let’s just say my own sites are doing great and my IB’s are putting my Hubs to shame (in both rankings and earnings)…
I’m going to be linking my Hubs to my IB’s instead of going the other route. I will have a much better shot in rankings since IB’s are EASILY outranking Hubs!!
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admin Reply:
August 2nd, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Yea, I’ve noticed that big time. I’m going to be unloading 300-400 more infobarrel articles this month and work the backlinks — so we’ll see what IB can do. If your own sites are doing well, i’d definetly put a lot more energy there as well. If your niche blogs are starting to pull in cash, you should deploy other blogs into the same niche. I’ve found if one keyword starts to produce, related keywords are also goldmines as well — and you can use the sites to support each other.
IB guys are cool though — I trust them far more than I do hubpages and I know one of the admins there personally as well, so they are going in a good direction.
Keep on earning. report back when you reach 50 bucks a day…maybe next week
Ben
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Hi Ben, I’m curious as to why you say you trust IB guys more than Hubpages?
The reason I ask is that if you compare the difference between the Infobarrel and Hubpages terms & conditions regarding use of our content, Infobarrel has given themselves some pretty wide-ranging rights, far in excess of what Hubpages does. Hubpages is far more writer-friendly in terms of acknowledging that the content is ours. Just compare them and you should easily see what I mean.
Now I’m going to use them anyway because I don’t give much of a crap about 400 word articles I write under a fake name anyway, but it still did give me a bit of a pause to see how over-reaching their rights to our content is.
I have signed up for IB and already had two articles approved. So much faster than EZA, which is really nice. I also like that I don’t have to spend time adding all kinds of capsules and such like you do on Hubpages or Squidoo. Just write an article and post.
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admin Reply:
August 2nd, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Gayle. I’m friends with one of the founders, so i know exactly what they are aiming for and doing. They are all SEO guys and their goal is to ensure as high quality content as possible. Hubpages — I don’t know any of the owners personally and it right now, infobarrel outranks them for domain authority. It could be the influx of pure crap articles to hubpages. I’m not saying hubpages is bad or anything, but I don’t have any personal relationship with the owners.
One area that hubpages > infobarrel, is as you surmise, content ownership rights. With hubpages, you own your content, with infobarrel, I’m not sure — you certainly can’t delete your article. But unless owner ship changes hands, I don’t see IB going anywhere but up.
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Gayle Reply:
August 2nd, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Thanks for answering, Ben. I’m not really too worried about the content rights. All of my best stuff goes on my own sites anyway. Glad to hear you think so highly of them.
I’m planning on an Infobarrel and EZA blitz this month to my hubs and I’ll be really curious to see how they compare to EZA as well in terms of traffic.
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Even if ND hadn’t sold out it wouldn’t have been something I would try, but I always love a good experiment. Looking forward to seeing your results. Good luck!
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Hmm, so I guess maybe we should be shifting our focus from Hubs to IB’s more? I was also wondering if it’s better to link each hub with an IB + Ezine rather than the TKA - as there is more domain authority. What would you guys say is best?
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admin Reply:
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:13 am
I’ve never used TKA directories — not because I don’t think there is no value in them, but because there of hundreds of newbie IM’ers who will take your ideas at the drop of a hat. Sucks, but it is what it is.
I’ve only ever done IB + ezine for my hubs. Seems to work for me. You could throw in GoArticles and Squidoos into the mix — I intent do, when I find the damn time. Hubs are good stuff as are infobarrels. If you can, say for 6 months, write 3-4 hubs or infobarrels, you’ll be in pretty good shape in six months if you send backlinks.
Minimum setup I’d suggest is 200 hubs backed by 100 infobarrels and 100 ezines. That’s 400 articles — a lot of damn work, I know it, but you’ll see results like this.
However, don’t leave your own sites out too. Starting this week, in addition to everything else i’m doing, I’m going to see if I can’t get a adsense sniper site done every day or two. I’m going all out on them pretty soon. Income derived from sites you own, or at least have full control (blogger) are much safer, long run.
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Gayle Reply:
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Not sure I’d worry about TKA that much. Your ideas will be stolen no matter where you post.
There’s people who do all their research on what niches to go after just by trolling EZA. I have often been the first person to post about a particular topic to that site and in every case, if the article is a success, someone is copying me a week later. It makes me want to tear my hair out, but what are you gonna do?
The best way to avoid having your ideas stolen is to not share them on the internet at all, but then you won’t make any money
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I read your updates…till
U1 32 and 2.4$ Unique visitors 15
U2 61 and 26$ unique visitors 119
U3 116 hubs and earned 64$ unique visitor 635.
My question. Your visitors and earning increased exponentially with the age of your hubs. means old hub will get more traffic.??
or lately you change your strategy of to targeting??
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Phillip Reply:
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:46 pm
It is normal for aged domais to pull more traffic. The first rush that hubs usually get, are because of other hub users seeing your hub in the “new hubs” section. This traffic is worthless. Once the aging kicks in you will get more.
ps. Still waiting for my EPN and chitika application to go through… it is a fucking long wait.
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admin Reply:
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:41 pm
aged domains are a good bet. If you are going to do a niche blog with some good SEO or perhaps create an authority blog/site, buy an aged domain 3+ years. The problem is that you always pay more for an aged domain.
I have EPN, but I want a few hundred chitika sites as well. My only concern is getting the .info’s actually ranked — the rumor is that it’s tough. We’ll see.
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Hey Ben,
It may be asked many times but please answer it once again.. Lets say i have 10 hubs on a niche and another 10 on other, so what should be my strategy to put them? Means how much acc i should use and how should i distribute these 20 hubs over the accounts i have?
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admin Reply:
August 4th, 2009 at 12:30 am
aniket, sorry I don’t quite understand what you are trying to ask. What I think you are trying to ask is how many hubs per account? It depends on what you feel comfortable with. I’d say 100-200 hubs per account is fine.
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aniket Reply:
August 4th, 2009 at 4:02 am
Hi sorry for misconfusion. I was asking for a scenario. I was asking if i am making 10 hubs per niche. shall i put all them in one acc. or distribute them among accounts.? What will be convinient way?
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admin Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
it’s up to you. I’d keep it at 70-80 per account so not to throw off any flags. With only 10 articles per account, it’s going to be a real headache to micromanage.
You got a new fan…like what I’m reading…also jumped on the ND for the quick buck…maybe longer term returns…who knows.
-Anyways Godaddy are just a bunch of scammers, they decided one day to destroy ALL my domains (100+) just because of a chargeback I was advised by them to issue on a refund of unwanted doms. They said “sorry our mistake” …whopee… cost me $$$ in lost aff sales, no compensation offered! - Lesson - don’t put all your eggs in one basket.
- Ben, What are the alternatives for cheap .info’s?
- Like blog farming don’t you think its a good idea to spread out the IP classes?
- Also can you host ND on subdomains do you know?
Finally rather than DD for domain controls have you tried mass-automation, I’ve heard good things about it.
http://www.mass-automation.com/products/mass-account-manager/
(This is NOT an aff link !)
Best…
fRANKIE
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admin Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
yea, that software is good, I was thinking about getting it because its ludicrous to manage hundreds of domains without something like this. Domain Dashboard is a better solution though, since you can track keywords, backlinks, PR, page indexes for all your host gator domains, right from the program.
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Mate, how are you dealing with the de-index of Niche Devil sites?
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admin Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
whate are you talking about? There is no deindex
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Joshua Reply:
August 5th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Probably was just looking to get his anchor text keyword out there. lol.
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A Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 3:37 am
There have been some problems with Chitika if you use the 3 ad blocks but that’s been sorted out with the latest version.
You should also take the time to alter the footprints of the themes just to be on the safe side.
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I am literally pulling my hair with this one right now.. I am having some personal issues which are probably causing me to only afford to get about 200 domains this month. I fucked up a lot of sites because I edited my footprint a bit too much and ended up messing the script AND my EPN has not YET been approved. It has been a week GEESH! How is going with you ben? Already up to 500 sites?
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aniket Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Lots of people talking about footprints here. Whats that actually?
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Phillip Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
It’s pointless to know when you don’t have niche devil or anything similar. But if you have 200 internet marketers building sites using the same script, and all of them build 1000 sites, then we are going to have 200 000 websites which have the exact same code. Footprint is what makes you “visible” and if you are smart enough to look for it in the right places, it is eventually easy for G to find all the sites that have the script and de-index them all. It is possible to reduce the “size” of the print by making a few changes to the script every few sites.
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admin Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Yes, it’s a good idea to change the footprint. I haven’t bothered to yet. I’m going to throw another 30 sites up. So far, I have a total of 82 sites up and i have the other 30 up tonight. I’m way behind schedual as far as ND. I spent pretty much from friday to monday tinkering with my new hostgator account and getting the software to manage all the domains.
I used one strategy for the first 80 sites that I don’t think is going to pan out. I’ve drop my sights way way lower in terms of the competition for the rest.
I’m waiting to see how my .infos do and how they rank. To tell the truth, I’m a bit concerned that without some solid backlinking, .info’s won’t rank and wont pull in trickle traffic. Nothing I can do but fling more sites out there. I hope to get to 200 sites by the end of tomorrow, then do a tiny bit of backlinking. Right now, my aim is 500 ebay ND’s and 500 Chitka. Amazon, eh, I don’t think ND is the right format — you need a review format for amazon to be effective.
I’ll post something tomorrow or maybe monday. It’s too early to say anything at this point. I feel ND sites can make good money with enough of them and with backlinks. The question is, can you make money with ND on .info sites with minimal backlinks?
Hi Ben, you said you’re keeping your backlinking to a BMD run and directory submission. Do you mean just throwing your link up on web directories? If so what service do you use? I guess my main question is how would you attack backlinking these ND sites w/o spending any $$. I’m afraid my situation requires me to start seeing some more return before shelling out any more $$ for things like BMD or any other subscriptions right now. Thanks for any advice and great blog!
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admin Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
glenn…go to http://www.incansoft.com/
They make amazing (and dirt cheap) SEO software. We are talking 10-20 bucks here. You can pick up their DirectoryBot, ArticleBot, and SocialBot ( a poor man’s version on BMD), for like 10-15 bucks a peice.
For my ND, it’s only going to be BMD (or social bot if you have that one), and maybe a mass directory submission and article submission (using that software listed). The thing is, I can only afford to spend a few minutes per each site — with 500- 1000, i don’t have to time to spend 20-30 minutes each promoting them.
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Glenn Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
youdaman ben. i’ll give those a look. many thanks for the guidance. i have 30 of 40 or so indexed after throwing them up this past weekend. would love to throw up 1000 if i had the $$. but that’ll come soon. can’t wait to here your update on how this is going. when’s your next update planned btw?
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admin Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
I’m thinking monday I’ll post an update — people keep asking. I was hoping to get a lot done last week, but I set up a new hosting account with a different company, and it took the weekend to get some issues worked out. It wasn’t until Tuesday I really started to throw these up. Right now it’s a waiting game, I have about 140 up so far, but only a handful are indexed yet — still too new. A few are pulling in some longtails, which is a VERY good sign. I’m pretty optimistic. I want to have 300-500 up by the middle of next week and do some BMD. It’s hard to determine anything right now when you don’t have enough up and they are not yet indexed.
Hey, I am surprised, inspired, and in awe all at once due to your blog. What you have accomplished is amazing. I was stuck in such a rut, trying to find answers then I came across this blog and it is great. i just have some really newbie questions to ask.
On infobarrel when you submit your google adsense info, do you include “pub-”? or don’t you?
example: pub-############## or just ############?
Sorry I know, lame question but the support over at the barrel isn’t helping.
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admin Reply:
August 6th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Glad you like it. Put the whole thing in, including the “pub-######”
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Ben,
How you track your different hubpages profile? Through one analytics account or different analytics accounts?
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admin Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
just one. Add the hubpages profile to analytics. You can add the same code to each profile. Not if you are trying to hide your profile from hubages, you won’t be able to — you would need a different adsense account + analytics account for each hubpage account.
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Hey Ben, thanks for the quick response. This is going to sound like another total newbie question, but I haven’t been able to find the answer.
I am trying to use google analytics. Do I put the url of each separate article into the analytics? Or do I put my profile and it track are my articles that way? I know what you are thinking, it is true, I am ignorant on this analytics thing. Do you know a helpful walk-through anywhere?
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aniket Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 2:16 am
Just put http://hubpages.com as url and use your unique code in hubpages affiliate settings. Rest will analytics do.
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Hi Ben
I’m really interested in how the .info sites will work out with minimal backlinking. I’ve found them hard to rank in the past. I’ve put up about 10 ND’s so far and am finding they are taking days to index (not the few minutes to a few hours quoted by Vic) I’ve had a few long tail searches on the first site to be indexed so far but will it continue or is it just the new site boost? Until I see how this is going to work out I have other things to do! I just paid for the full membership of BLS and am going to spend the next few days really working on getting some good backlinks to my niche sites.
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admin Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Janet. I feel pretty good about it so far. I’m liking that I am starting to see some of my .info sites indexed (a handful so far) and some are even pulling in a few people a day with targeted lontails — Exactly what I want. I really don’t care about ranking for the main keywords…as long as I can bring in 4-10 people a day with longtails relating to the main keyword, people may click on the ads and get that cookie (with ebay). with a couple dozen, this may not make money, but with 500-1000, it will.
If things go according to plan, I want to do 500 ebay, and 500 chitka and see where that goes. for the first 500, i may do 300 ebay and 200 chitka though.
I may do some BMD runs to help the indexing along though and a bit more backlink juice. Right now, it seems that .info can get indexed with ND and can get longtail traffic — my fear was that this would not happen. Right now, I just need lots of these things to be indexed and get traffic, so we’ll see how it goes. I’m hoping to have 300-500 up by monday. I have a feeling it won’t be for another week before I can post anything tangible. Part of my goal is to get 500-1000 of these things up ASAP so we can track what’s going on.
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I got my first two dollars today in 9 days from one hub…from hub pages. I am very happy. but
search came from yahoo and Google don’t rank hub pages….high. How to rank high on Google??? because without google it waste of time.
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Phillip Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 7:28 am
Creating backlinks will get you ranked. Write a few ezine articles with links pointing to your hubs and you will get ranked, depending on the competition. Remember that writing using long tails will bring a lot of traffic to hubs since the domain authority will enable to be ranked for a lot of weird combinations of the keyword.
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Adsense Lover Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 7:50 am
Thanks phillip i will complete first 50 hubs. and give ezine to my hubs.
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I am starting to build some ND sites, but am a little confused on the keyword strategy, ND uses 1 main keyword, and 10 additional keywords that become the menu items. Should I use long tail on all keywords or just use a longtail on the main keyword to get the niche traffic and then offer the most popular related keywords on the menu? Or should I have long-tail for everything - then I would end up with some rather odd, 4-6 word menu items on the side.
Anybody have any suggestions or strategies that are working for them.
BTW, how is your ND experiment coming along? I only have about 10 up now, but hope to have 50 up by the end of the weekend. Putting the sites literally only takes a couple of minutes, but the keyword research is what takes me longer.
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admin Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Roger, at this point, I can’t give you anything definite in terms of strategy. I’m still trying to experiment with what works and doesn’t at this point. I will say that I’m going after very very very low exact searches for product keywords though. My goal is just to get these things ranked with some traffic, and to do that, i need to enter niches with no competion at all.
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How do you insert links into your info barrel articles?
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Roger Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Add the appropriate html code Anchor Text here inside you infobarrel text
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Roger Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Oops the blog converted my code to an actual link, the HTML code is
<a href=”yoursitegoeshere.com”>Anchor text goes here</a>
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Hi Ben,
A question about longtails. What i am doing here, I take a niche
like cure cancer naturally. I write 300-350 word article including many of it types and many other stuff also. Am i doing ok for longtails? Or i need to write about long tail onlly?
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Ben
My first niche devil site had 8 pages indexed and was put up a week ago. Yesterday there were no pages indexed. I added it to google webmasters tools to find out what was going on and this is what I get
‘This site may be in violation of Google’s quality guidelines’
Deindexed already!
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Phillip Reply:
August 8th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Did you modify the “foorprint modifiers” or was the script in it’s basic form?
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admin Reply:
August 8th, 2009 at 8:34 am
uh oh, did you modify the footprint? I haven’t, not yet lol. Hmmm. I need to check up on this — I don’t want to put up another 300-400 only to get an insta deindex.
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admin Reply:
August 8th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
I suspect you didn’t change the defult footprint. I just change all my 130 sites. Going to also change it again for my next batch and make some changes to the domain selection (you don’t want to have buying kewords in the domain, especially on a .info site — I’m hearing).
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janet Reply:
August 8th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Yes I did change the footprint! But it was one of the first ones with 3 x Chitika ads on although I changed that as soon as the new version of Niche Devil came out
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admin Reply:
August 8th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
hmm, I just converted everything over. My handful that are indexed are still indexed. I’ve only used the new version of ND and I’ve only been using ebay. Maybe chitka is easier to track?
Were you using frank’s Blog Content Wizard for the content for content?
At this point, I’m going to fling out anothe 100-200 this weekend and see where things stand. I hope google cannot trace these en mass.
Why not to use free yacc for the wh legit sites with customized layout WITHOUT foorprint whatsoever?
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‘Were you using frank’s Blog Content Wizard for the content for content?’
Nope - spun original content
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janet Reply:
August 8th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Just checked another one that hasn’t been indexed at all - same thing! Not sure if this one ever had the 3 x Chitika ads on but I suspect it did as it’s an early one I made.
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@janet
It seems really strange that you would have a site de-indexed so quickly. I’m not saying its not de-indexed but it is odd.
What do you think is the violation of the TOS?
Did you have similar sites on the same IP?
Did they get de-indexed also?
Are you signed in to Google when you are building your sites?
Seriously though, how the fuck could you possibly get a manual review in a week? I know guys that have turned in sites that had Adsense on them and almost nothing else, AND 2000 Xrumor shit backlinks and it took Google 3 months to de-index the sites.
Something is iz amizzzzz me thinks
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janet Reply:
August 9th, 2009 at 3:31 am
I started a new hosting account for this with only niche devil sites on it. 1 of the sites had cheap in the domain, others not. I changed the footprint as advised in the forum. I did not put them in webmaster, I just did that to check if they were flagged.
I have no idea how it happened so quickly.
Pretty sure they are deindexed. Nothing showing on site:domain.com and a flag to say they are violating the TOS - presumably for lack of good content.
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admin Reply:
August 9th, 2009 at 10:47 am
janet — as a rule of thumb, stay away from Google Webmaster tools. I’ve heard many BAD things about doing this — especially if you are an SEO. God forbid if you have that google account linked to any adsense account — that’s like poining a clear trail to your money sites, especially since it seems we are in a bit of a war with google over ND sites right now.
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janet Reply:
August 9th, 2009 at 10:55 am
yes I normally do but I wanted to see why they were deindexed. Probably a mistake but 3 were deindexed by then anyway.
janet Reply:
August 9th, 2009 at 11:07 am
and I made a new webmaster account with a different gmail address so I hope I’m safe!
admin Reply:
August 9th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Keep in mind that Google can track your IP as well. If they have your IP flagged down for one email address/account, there is a good chance they can flag you down with a different account, if you are under the same IP. I don’t know HOW much effort they will go into finding people they are suspicious, or even if you are being “watched” (which could be a possibility now). But, use something like http://www.hidemyass.com to sign in and out of new google accounts.
Anon Reply:
August 10th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Regarding bk’s “how has Google cottoned on so fast” - well here’s what I would do if I were them. I’d be monitoring Vic’s site, and as soon as he launched his product, I would have had an engineer BUY the product for $97. Once they’ve got the product, they have the keys to the kingdom and can easily look at the entire set-up and track it super-fast.
Are they monitoring Vic’s site? Since the BANS thing last year, I would say almost certainly. I think they monitor Grizzly and Court’s sites too. But Grizz has smartly stopped posting and Court has cleverly taken his stuff into a private forum (though again nothing stopping a Google engineer from enrolling just to see what is going on- Court has protected himself by going white-hat).
Even though there are gazillions of webmasters in the world, the number of black-hats are small and I think Google watches those they have been alerted to.
Vic should have kept this completely to himself, or only shared with a few trusted colleagues by email.
Just my two cents.
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Marcus Reply:
August 20th, 2009 at 3:16 am
Lol
I simply love the fact that everyone here thinks that Victor Franqui is GOD….
I wonder if he is god why Zobids hasn’t launched after he took all the money from his students…
the same way that his hosting company-reseller was a failure?
Or his PLR site simply stop providing PLR products?
What a joke
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admin Reply:
August 20th, 2009 at 7:52 am
I don’t think that’s the case Marcus. Vic knows his stuff for sure and he`s provided a lot of help. As to the direction he`s taking, pimping products ’shrug`.
As far as ND goes, it`s not what was promised for sure, BUT it`s still good software — better than any of the competition if you don`t mind being spammy. There is nothing else that matches it`s speed really. It`s not for beginners though — that part of the marketing slogan was misleading. You can deploy them, but if you don`t start mixing some BH or questionable techniques when using them, you won`t see much success.
Bones Reply:
August 20th, 2009 at 10:43 am
*There’s* the missing part of the equation: “start mixing some BH or questionable techniques when using them…”
So it’s like I kind of feared when I ClickBanked away my $97: I could have used anything with these .info domains I’m putting up as long as I tied it in with blackhat and/or your questionable techniques.
ND is still getting de-indexed, it *does* have a detectable footprint and, by itself, it doesn’t make you money. These were all issues that the sales copy said would not happen. Well, the last one was taken care of with a disclaimer. No one can or will guarantee that you will make money on the Internet.
In the meantime, we must wait and see if this thing works. I think it will but it won’t work at the speed that the ad copy told us it will. At least, as far as support for the actual program itself, the forum works well. The pushing of certain topics to the private Academy gets old though…
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August 20th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Yea. To be honest, the best way to make money online is to just to your own thing. The latest software “get rich fast” flavor of the month just leads to dead ends.
There is no substitute for good hard work doing your own sites. Creating 100 sites and ranking them over 6 months to a year will probably make you far more money than any sort of spammy software that promises quick riches. Regarding ND, you have to put some serious effort into the sites.
Right now, I’m on the edge about continuing. I bought some domains, so i’ll finish up what I’m doing. I AM seeing an increase in traffic with doing nothing other than putting these things up. I’m getting about 55-60 clicks a day for ebay. I think I’ve probably made 20-30 bucks with the product so far. I’ve been really busy doing my own adsense niche sites which actually give me something tangible with regards to money. It’s hard to invest time in something unstable when you have already have a solid means of making money…
I can say right now that you CAN indeed make money with these sites if you throw out hundreds in bulk. But it all depends on whether you can get them to stay indexed or even indexed. I personally know people who are having some sucess so far — but you need customize every ND site and which what keywords you go for.
Hey BK,
there are alot of us that did get deindexing. We have started to all modify the footprint and keep the cheap,discout, etc out of the modifiers and tags. It seems to be helping. changing out as prescribed by rob in the forum. I’ve had bans, amazon and ebay deindexed, and all three also still indexed. It is hard to figure out exactly what the rhyme or reason is.
I put up 30 in the last few days. Will see how they pan out.
One thing, they are taking longer to get indexed it seems. I used to get them in 8 hours.
I’ll check tomoroow.
M
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admin Reply:
August 9th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
hey matt, does that include not using “cheap/discount etc. in the domains as well”? This is one of my prime strategies — that’s going to really suck if I can’t add a buying keyword in the domain.
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I’ve had 3 of 34 get deindexed. However, they were the first 3 i put up with the original footprint. And although i did go back and changed up the footprint on them, they had already been indexed for a couple of days with the original, so they may have already been flagged at that point. Who knows? I was careful to change up everything on the others from the start, so hopefully this trend doesn’t continue. I am getting some decent traffic on a few, but chitika is slow to update, so it’s hard to tell what’s working at this point with that.
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Is there any problem with directing both a hub page and a infobarrel (which are connected through a link to hb from ib) to your money making adsense account?
all three have adsense and are connected, would google have a problem with this?
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admin Reply:
August 9th, 2009 at 10:50 am
nope, go for it. It’s a great way to really milk a niche.
Keep in mind though if you are trying to hide your online footprint, then this is not the way to do it — if you link minisites with adsense, then sending spammy links to those hubs/infobarrels is a tad risky. You always want to keep 1 layer removed from your “adsense/money sites” when you start giving shady links.
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OK Ben,
I checked this morning, and about half of the sites I launched yesterday are indexed in google today. The other half should just be a matter of time. Most were indexed within 8 hours of launching and doing some really fast link building.
All have unique footprints, so Im looking forward to seeing them stay in the index.
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admin Reply:
August 9th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
yea, I’ve have about 120 or so and I’d say 95% are not indexed at this point. They are slowly being indexed, but not fast at all. What’s clear is that just PINGING won’t get them indexed, you are going to have to BMD or something.
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Phillip Reply:
August 10th, 2009 at 2:26 am
Some of my sites have meen indexed within a few hours with just pinging. I guess it is just about luck and keywords how fast you get indexed. That “cheap, discount” stuff cost me a big part of my domains.
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okay,
so some I am seeing gradual indexing…and the bunch from yesterday are all getting indexed. I am doing a bmd run, directory submission, and BLS linking for each.
as for the cheap, discount thing, yeah it does suck because that was a huge part of my strategy.
But I looked back as some sites that were getting 50+ uniques last week before getting bitch slapped and alot of the uniques were for long tails that were related but I was not targeting.
So, Im removing the cheap, etc from the sites to see if the incremental benefit of staying indexed pays off with the higher long tail traffic.
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matt2257 Reply:
August 9th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
at the end of the day, even with the link building, this is faster than anything else I’ve worked with, and if I can get away without content creation and do hundreds, this will be a good way to get a larger portfolio going esp. with .infos.
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Ben, regarding IB’s and Hubs..Let’s say one hub or IB is getting a lot of clicks. Would you recommend making 10 more hubs or IBs using the same exact keyword?
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admin Reply:
August 10th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Nick, if you find something is working, by all means expand into it.
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Ben, Curious to know if you’re seeing any new encouraging results from the Clickbank project?
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admin Reply:
August 10th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
MC, I have 20 sniper sites and no sales. They may score some sales in the future, but the failure was the niche seleciton. I picked 3 very competative niches that dont’ lend themselves well to sales, not without huge volume. I’m going to create another 100 or so in smaller niches to see what happens. But this project has been put on the backburner. I’m currently doing ND sites and adsense snipers. The adsense snipers are going REALLY well. I’m making some amazing money (for the few sites I yet have) in a very very short period of time, enough to switch my focus from clickbank snipers to adsense snipers (and, ND which i’m playing around with to see what’s possible). I’ll post more details about this new project on my next post.
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aniket Reply:
August 10th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Whats this adsense snipper site ben? how they work?
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Are you hosting the ND sites on shared? I have decided to do something different,
will you send me your email to bkmason09@gmailDOTCOM… I would like to discuss it. Last time I posted shit publicly I couldn’t get new sites to index for weeks.
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admin Reply:
August 11th, 2009 at 9:12 am
email sent
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admin Reply:
August 11th, 2009 at 11:39 am
BK, you don’t want to put it on a shared host — it’s a must to put them on a reseller account. With shared, if something go awry or you use too much space, your account get’s axed and you are left hanging. This is especially true when you will be having hundreds of domains on a single account.
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I have 20 ND sites, some created before, some after the updates. All of them are indexed. I created them, pinged them, made a Digg, and ran a BMD run. None took more than 4 days to index, normally they took about 2 days. They are all still indexed, but none of them have made a cent. I know I only have 20, I plan to do at least 100 eventually. I am changing my strategy and going to go loooong tail, and see if I get some more targeted buying traffic.
I am curious about Adsense sniper sites, how could I learn more about them?
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admin Reply:
August 11th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Roger, you are going to need a lot more than 100 I am thinking—probably 400-1000 to really see some decent coin. Most of my 130 are not indexed yet…it’s clear that the pinging is not enough. I’m adding another 100, then going to focus on getting them all indexed.
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Bones Reply:
August 19th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
This seems like almost as much work as a BANS/.info site to get the same results? I mean, shouldn’t 1000 of anything work like this if you’ve got backlinks, keyword domination etc? Even if google ignored you completely, the Yahoo/Bing love would have to hit a few hundred of your sites and make some dough. Maybe I don’t know what you mean by “decent coin.”
The whole reason we were sold on this ND stuff was because it was supposedly SERP friendly and had no “footprint.” Now that we have it, we find that it indeed has a BIG footprint that gets deindexed when detected. I’m forging on with getting to a 100 sites like Roger but I can’t see blowing another $900 to $1000 on more domains and all the work involved with that.
I will say that it does make putting up an affiliate site very very easy. Much easier than BANS or Wordpress/Adsense but it seems like it’s not performing as advertised. Guess I gotta quit my bitchin’ and keep on keeping on! I look forward to your 1000 ND site test results.
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