So, it’s been 11 days since I started this challenge.
My current stats for 11 days:
*61 hubs so far (70 hubs by end of today).
*Writing between 6-8 hubs a day.
*Posts all 500-800 words, with most being 500, and a few being 880-1000
*6 clicks total
*3 dollars made
The first week, I made about 2 dollars – most of it was in the tale end of the week. I went 3 days without a click (I has about 40-55 hubs at that point). Today I just scored two more clicks, giving me $1.
I have a total of 534 page impressions according to Hubpages, 222 visitors according to Google Analytics, and 96 visitors finding my hubs through long tail keywords.
My first 40 hubs were all long tail keywords (or short tails) in fairly competitive, high paying niches. Unfortunately, the niches are proving to be too competitive to rank high in the SERP’s for just with hubpages’ domain authority. I was getting some trickle traffic from Google, but not enough for clicks.
I thought about it and decided I should go after lower hanging fruit. The next 20 hubs were in niches will much less competition. Mostly 2-3 PR websites for the top 5 search results. These niches all had about 1-5k exact searches a month. Unfortunately, a couple days of no clicks has convinced me the niches are still too competitive to get traffic without backlinks.
So now, I’m shifting directions again. I am now not going after low hanging fruit, I’m going after the fruit that’s on the ground and rotten. I was restricting myself to niches that would bring in, based off the standard calculation for minimum expected Adsense revenue [Searches * CPC * .40 *.05], about 50 bucks at least. For the first 40, I was targeting niches in the $300-1k range. For the next 20, I was targeting niches in the $80-$300 range with much less searches and much less competition. But that’s apparently not working. So I’m now going to target niches in the $25-$50 range, and just throw a lot of them out there. I mean like hundreds. If I can get 300 hubs in a month, super ( I doubt I can).
If I can find some super keywords good traffic and good CPC and NO competition, I’ll jump on those opportunities. Now, most of these niches will have between 300-700 exact searches a month. I’m going to let the CPC guide my niches selection now, instead of search numbers here. This is because with those small searches, I can only expect a few clicks a month. I want those clicks to count.
So, we’ll see how it goes. I’m hearing that some people are making 5 bucks or so a day – including Court. I guess my initial strategy was flawed in that I was treating these hubs like the way I would treat a niche blog. But creating hubs for money and creating blog niches/websites is NOT the exact same process. Mainly because with blogs, I fully intend to start sending backlinks over the long term, but with hubs, I’m trying to make money right away, so they don’t get much in the way of backlinks, at least not initially.
I’ve also started to send backlinks to my older hubs, so let’s see if I start to get more traffic. I’ll post an update when I get to the 100 or so hub range. With 50 or so hubs based around no competition keywords, I may actually be able to make a couple bucks a day.
So let’s summarize my new strategy:
My New Strategy for the next 60 Hubs
1. Hubs will be going after NO competition niches (top sites will be PR 0-1 in the searches, search traffic about 300-1k a month, CPC will be 2+ dollars a click)
2. Content of Hubs will Change (much crappier)
The last 20 hubs I made were very high quality. I’ve added informative content, pictures, videos, and basically tried to craft high quality hubs. No more. I think people going to those hubs will find their answers and will have no need to click on an ad. I’ve also been throwing up a lot of eBay and Amazon listings in the body of the posts, probably distracting the users. I’m going to simplify the layout. I only want the user to see the content and the ads.
I’m going to go for the Adsense now and just forget about eBay and Amazon sales for now. This means that I am no longer going to write informative posts that try and answer the question. I’m going to write long, 800 or so word posts with no videos, no pictures, and no ebay/amazon products listed in the body (i’ll have ebay products listed at the end). The point is to try and get the user to click on an ad, not to find an answer to their problem. I’ll create about 50 or so hubs, basically making my posts as ugly, long, and as unhelpful as possible. Combined with the fact that these will be in no competition niches, I may start to see an improvement in clicks here.
3. Posts will all be 700-1000 words
About 50 posts are all 500 words. I’m going to increase the length to 800 or more to drive more longtail traffic. More long tails for Google to rank and send traffic with. I will stuff them (without keyword stuffing) with related long tail keywords.
4. Will Send Backlinks to older posts
Going to see if I can eke out some revenue from the older hubs in higher comp niches. I think I’ll hold off on sending backlinks to these next 60 hubs, at least for another week. I want to see If I can make money without resorting to backlinks here. I should need them if I go after no comp niches, since I can rank high right away, I hope.
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It will be interesting to see if you can make any money without putting in a lot of effort to get backlinks to the hubpages. I tend to think not! If it needs so much effort to get ranked then I’d rather be spending the time on promoting my sites rather than hubpages and just use them for some backlinks to my sites.
BTW I can give you some backlinks (especially to the health articles) if you send the details of anchor links etc.
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sure thing, i’ll email you some. I’ve REALLY let all my backlink work just fall to the way side these days, there is simply no time, being that I got to work for 10 hours a day, then spend the rest of the time writing. I’ll be GLAD when I’m done with ehse 200+ hubs.
But then again, I am thinking of launching my own personal challenge for next month, 100 phpBAY niches in 30 days next. Oh boy…
Yea, I have close to 70 hubs now (a few short, going to have to play a bit of catch up). I’ve started going after low to no comp niches now. Court and a few others are making some money, so it’s there, heh.
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How fast do you type? LOL
Your posts put Griz’s to shame.
I can’t imagine that kind of output!
Anyways, what I wanted to say is email me. I have some info : )
-DavidO (Or Dave Oey)
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I wanted to join court doing this project, but it doesn’t worth it to me. This is for people who enjoy writing. You probably enjoy writing.
I wish you goodluck
Dalirin
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@DavidO
Thanks for dropping in. Nice to see one of the Grizzly’s drop by, hah. I’ll send you that email!
@Dalirin
Ha, I don’t enjoy writing like this at ALL. I like writing in certain instances about topics that interest me (like making money online). But writing articles about niche topics — it’s work to me. But, there is some satisfaction knowing you are doing it to build your own business, so, it’s worth it.
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Heyyo!
Damn man, I could never write that much! Good luck with that, and I hope you manage to make some money from it in the process. So far I’ve only been using Hubpages for backlinks but these posts of yours inspired me to test out the waters with my Adsense account on them. The results so far are inconclusive - apparently to make money with Hubpages you need, like, traffic or something…
Enyweighz, I added some links to this SEO blog of yours to some of my shitty MMO blogs ’cause I like it and stuff.
- Adam #2 (aka licketysplit, aka guymann, aka roboballs, aka Adam Lafleur)
P.S. Please write more about adult diapers!
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@ Dalirin
This is the wonder of outsourcing. I hate writing, and likely why I will never have my own blog. Or maybe I will, and will just outsource it… haha
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Hey guys. I’m going to write an update later. In short, I think I’ve figured out what to do, thanks to some of the advice here and my own experiement. I am making a bit of money now — not a ton, but 3 or so bucks a day now. I am getting clicks each day and a lot more traffic. The key? No competition niches with decent CPC — I’ll talk more about this later.
I’ve got some new strategies to test out that may bring a significant increase in hub revenu — but we’ll see. I’m sitting at about 80 hubs. I’ll post an update when I hit near the 100 hub mark (today or tomorrow).
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My problem is I spend all my time researching methods, reading blogs like this one and Griz’s and TKA, and I haven’t made any new posts on any of my blogs in over a month, haven’t really done anything to get more links. Apparently, there are others like me.
Made one hub a couple days ago after reading this blog post; it’s still too early to get stats. They make you wait 2 days.
Plus, my Adsense got banned so I won’t be able to rake in that Hub revenue. I’m just lazy but outsourcing the writing seems like a bad idea considering I have no money as it is.
BTW, anyone know how to remove Adsense ads from your Hubpage? I’d rather get the visitor to focus more on my Amazon stuff.
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admin Reply:
May 25th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Yea, there comes a point where you have to stop reading and then start doing. If you read Grizz, Court, Vic, etc they will all tell you to stop reading and get working. There are a bunch a different “styles” of making money. However, the best way to learn is to jump in there and testing out stuff for your self.
The more you read, the more confused you’ll get. Court says it this way, Grizz says it this way, but wait, Vic does this. Joe smoe does that.
The bottom line is, if you don’t start making websites, writing content, and getting backlinks, you won’t make money at all! It all comes down to one thing really: make a website about a niche with money in it and getting a hell of a lot of backlinks over time. Rinse and repeat dozens and hundreds of times.
Ok, I’ll get off the soapbox now, hah. Yes, I have found out that you have to do it just right with hub pages or you won’t make money. I have about 85 hubs now…and I think only about 15-20 of those are getting clicks — the other ones were in niches with too much competition, etc. If your adsense got banned, that kind of kills your hub page revenue. I’d really suggest doing whatever you can (even if you have to use your “relatives” to set up an adsense for you) to get adsense back. In the MMO world, losing adsense is like getting a leg cut off. You can still walk, but it’s a hell of a lot harder.
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Just create an LLC and open a new Adsense account. Just don’t link your accounts in ANY way. (sites, computers, emails, IP’s… etc)
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And Also…. Losing Adsense is not the end of the world.
You can make a HELL of a lot of money in other ways. (I make $20 a day off 10 visitors a day from 1 site that does not involve Adsense…)
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Yes, I agree you can make good money off of affiliate sales. Ebay is the big one these days; you can domain flip, you can sell a product or service. I’m experimenting with the ebay model right now — I made about 10-15 bucks a day with one niche, selling amazon products. I’ve just got into ebay a few weeks ago though (finally). Still haven’t made a cent yet though next month I think I’m going to focus on this area and see what I can do.
I actually think it’s fairly difficult to use adsense effectively — you have to have the right niche, you have to have the right layout, you have to write the right way — if any of these are off somewhat, you clicks go down big time.
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I think the longer hubs definitely work better. My shortest hub (539 words) is doing badly. The 1000+ word hubs are getting traffic and clicks.
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I am going to disagree with the amount of words needed for a good performing hub. Not one of mine has more than 450 words.
(I have something like 50 hubs, 900 impressions a day, and about $7 daily.)
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admin Reply:
May 29th, 2009 at 11:48 am
I think for short term, word count is not that important. But without a doubt having a longer hub is better over the long term. You will get more long tail traffic and get ranked for additional terms.
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@Joshua - I’m so glad to hear that! I can write an article of 450 words without too much of a struggle, but anything up over 500 and I’m stumbling for stuff to say, especially in these narrow niches I know nothing about. It’s great to know that shorter length hubs are working so well for you!
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