Ok, a bit behind on my schedule. I’ll cut it all down to a single phrase: Hubpages, do it. You can make money.
This is the third update so far and let’s take a brief look at my stats:
-First Hubs published 18 days ago
-116 Hubs
-Word Count between 400-1000 words. The average would be about 800
-Hubpage views 1900
-834 Unique Visitors/618 absolute unique
-509 Google visits
-185 Yahoo visits
-12 AOL (does this even exist?) visits
-33 clicks total
-Approx revenue made as of writing: 32 dollars. 28 of that made this week.
-Hubpage revenue made while sleeping and this morning (as I write this at 12 noon): 12 bucks.
Summary of Progress
For the first 40 hubs, I made a dollar or two. By hub 70 I had made 3 dollars. But then I finally figured out how to make money with hubs and from hub 70-116, I’ve made about 21 dollars.
Now, there are a few others that are having more success than I. Court for one only had like 70 or so hubs and made roughly 100 bucks last week. Joshua (see comments) is making 7 or so bucks a day. I’ve made 20 bucks in about 5 days. I had a 5 dollar day, a 4 dollar day, a 3 dollar day, a 1 dollar day, a 4 dollar day, a .50 day, and a 7 dollar day.
Yea, I know I’m not going to retire on this, but I’m pretty impressed since I’ve just started to get these earnings as of Sunday. Now that I’ve kind of figured out what to do, I’m getting some consistent earnings. I expect these earning to go up over the next 100 hubs I create, since I’ve know what to look for and have an idea how to make money with hubs now. Keep in mind these earnings will only go up as the domains age and as I begin to send some backlinks. At about 4-5 bucks a day, that’s not a bad PERMENT income for a good solid 2 weeks of full time work. Sure, you might make a couple thousand of dollars spending that time working for someone, but getting 5 bucks a day for the rest of your life more than makes of for that. And of course, you will start to make more as the domains age and SERP’s improve.
Here is what I’ve found in the course of my 2 and a half weeks writing hubs.
How to Make Money with Hubpages
Content=more traffic
However, you can still get clicks with shorter , 300-400 work articles. I think if you want to max your search traffic and start sending backings to hubs, more content is better over the long term. But don’t think you need to write 800-1000 word beasts for each hub. I did a solid 30 or so hubs like this then said screw it and started writing 600 word hubs. Now, I think I’ll just go with 400-500 word shorties. I’d rather churn out 2 different hubs than a long single hub. IF I was trying to dominate a niche, than I would have long posts, but in this case, shorter is ok.
Keep Layout Simple
Videos, links to authority pages, pictures. Don’t need em. Sure, if you want to invest some quality time in a informative hub, ad them. Too much “stuff” can distract the user from doing what you want him to do: clicking on an ad. Layout is important though.
Optimize Hubpage Layout for Adsense
The most effective layout is using the standard hub layout. You don’t want to have a picture at the top of the hub. This means you will have the title, followed by a horizontal square of ads. You always have a large rectangular ad box immediately to your right. This helps to surround the initial paragraph with a “box” of ads. It’s really easy for someone to click an ad here. Since your articles should be highly focused, nice-based articles, you should score occasional converting clicks here. I’ve also found is having the following format:
TEXT
PICTURE
TEXT
EBAY/AMAZON
COMMENTS
LINKS
Now I haven’t scored any affiliate sales from eBay or Amazon yet, so I can’t really state too much about making money with these on Hubpages. However, if I am talking about a specific product, there is no reason why you cant add eBay links to the product. They might buy it. Initially, for my first 40-50 hubs, I had eBay and Amazon products inserted into every text body. I figured having targeted products I am talking about, inserted to the right of the text (hub pages allows you to do this), and would make sales. I was wrong. I haven’t had a single affiliate sale. Now, granted I am not really commanding the traffic to garner sales, but I’ve given up on affiliate sales. Adsense is way easier to make money with on hubs.
Also, you may not that I have a PICTURE inserted between two text boxes. This is because if you don’t’ have that picture, Hubpages puts a horizontal Google ad bar at the bottom of your post. I like to have it right in the center of my article. Easier to get a click I think.
Write for Adsense, Not for Readers
Well, I don’t buy in to the whole “content” is king argument. I think content is crap and backlinks are king. When writing for Adsense clicks, content is important, but not witty content. You are going to get most of your click near the top of the page body. You ideally want people to read your stuff for a few seconds, then click on the ad. The longer they read your article the more LESS likely they will click on the ad. Longer reading means that your article is actually answering the questions they are trying to find. And whey then do they need to click on an ad? Now, I know there are exceptions here. For example, you can write about a product or service telling how important it is to solve a problem but don’t TELL them where to go. If you have your keyword phrases right, you may trigger the ads that show that service. People want to find the service and they see a link, they will click. So yes, content matter for clicks, but not in the traditional blogging way. You don’t want an audience, you want people to read and then click. So don’t entertain anyone with your writing. Hell, I think putting up some of that shitty Indian-written content may get you more clicks then native English well crafted informative article. How can you learn to write like this? Experience. You just have to write a LOT of articles for Adsense. Eventually you get to see what works and then write around that style.
No Competition Niches
Yea, if you want to start making money write away, the key is no competition niches or low comp niches. If you pick competitive niches, you will be frustrated and won’t make money. A lot of you are probably doing this. FORGET about going after those 5k a month search terms. Aim at 200-400 search terms a month. Yea, it won’t be a 100 buck a day Adsense hub, but you might be able to get a click once a while.
There are actually two strategies here: Go after niches with high competition and low CPC. You might be able to find some of these, but the niches won’t be in the usual insurance, skin care, credit cards etc. You will have to look off the beaten track or come up with a unique keyword phrase. If you find a niche with 5-20k people a month and there is low competition, go for it. Each click might only be 20 cents, but if you can get 10-20 of them a day, that’s pretty good. Keep in mind though that if you go after the traffic niches, you WILL need to be ranked high for that keyword term. So only do this if there is little to know competition off the bat.
The other strategy is to go after HIGH paying ad clicks. Now, you can be sure that for the main phrases are all beaten to death by internet marketers. But while all the nice, juicy fruit up top has been picked clean by the birds, there are still pieces of fruit to be hanging low or on the ground. You can get 50 people coming to your hub and maybe 10 people click on an low paying ad, giving you a total of 2 bucks. Or you can have 4 people come to your hub and one might click on your ad, but you get 2 bucks from that click.
Either way is viable.
Link to Your Related Hubs
I suggest when making Hubpages, to go at each different niche in bunches of 5 or 10 related niches. This way, you can back them all up with links for your hubs. Since you are ideally targeting no comp niches, these backlinks for other related hubs will really give your hub the juice to get high on the SERP’s. As your hubs mature in the SERP’s and age and gain PR, so will the link juice passed. I try and give 1 way links. If I make 5 hubs, the first has no backlinks, the second hub links to the first, the 3rd links the first and second, and fourth links to first,second,third, and so on.
Get Backlinks
Treat your hubs like an niche blogs and build backlinks. You will make a LOT more money, but it will take effort and time. I do suggest if one hub is doing spectacular, you just go out and buy a domain and toss up a workpress blog on it. Then you laser target that niche blog to that exact keyword and use the hub to send it’s authority to the new blog. Then build backlinks to it and get to #1. Slap on Adsense and you won’t be sharing money with Hubpages. As was pointed out by a reader, hubpages steals part of your clicks, so you get less money. This is why you ultimately want your own site to get 100% of the revenue.
My New Strategy for the Next 100 Hubs
For the next 100 or so hubs, I am eager to see how much more money I can make. Keep in mind that the older my hubs are, the more traffic I should get and the more I should make. If everything works out, my hubs should be getting more traffic and money as time progresses.
Court is making about 12 bucks a day with 70 hubs, but then again, he’s one of the best in the world. But now that I am finding some success here and I know what niches seem to work and what ones don’t, I think I can fine tune my next 100 hubs so that each of them perform. Currently, I have like 30-40 hubs generating me revenue while a good 60 or so are dead weights. If I can make the next 100 or so hubs actually perform, I’ll make a lot more money.
-Laser Target Niches. I have an idea what works. It took me 70 hubs to figure it out. Going to replicate this now and fine hone my niches.
-Cut back to 400-500 word hubs (not convinced the 800 biggies are doing any better than small ones)
-Create 100 Ezine articles and send two backlinks to two hubs. Yea, this is going to be a lot of work. I’m already working on a god damn 200 hubs in a month. I don’t’ think anyone else has done that before. Adding an additional 100 Ezine articles to the plate is going to be tough. Why am I doing this. Because I’m god damn crazy, so deal with it! 
Meanwhile for any of you people who are following my little old make money online blog, get your asses into gear and make 30 HUBS. If I can creat 30 hubs in 4 days while working a 10 hours a day full time job, you can surely do that by my next update (7 days)? No excuses, just DO IT.
Meanwhile, I’m going to do another make money online experiment next month. I’m thinking 100 phBay self-hosted ebay niche sites, 200 ezine articles, 100 blogger blog niches, or 1 self hosted blog in a niche with 200 niche based articles, or 3000 backlinks in one month. We’ll see if we can make some money with one of those! Help me choose or toss me some ideas. You can watch me slave away for a month to see if it’s possible to make money!
Ok, enough talk. Back to writing. I’ll post next week when I have 170 hubs and 50 Ezine articles. Geez, even my short updates are turning into Grizzly-style put-em-to-sleep posts. When this experiemnt is finished in 2 weeks, I am going to make a massive, informative hub about exactly how to make money with hub pages using adsense. It’s going to be so long that even Grizzly will weep with envy.
Ben K
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43 Comments
Thanks for your posts here and comments on TKA. I understand now who you write your hubs. Mostly keyword stuffing mindflow.
I created three new hubs in an hour with pretty high CPC and low competition (also low traffic) keywords. Just stuffing related keywords and the main keywords for a good 500 words. Writing something related that came to my mind while writing. I have a whole new inspiration on article writing 
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Just be careful you actually dont’ “keyword stuff” your posts. Aim for the phrase or keyword to appear 5 times in a 500 word article, once in the first paragraph, a few times in the body, and once in the conclusion. If you overuse your keyword, you can get penalized by google.
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Ben,
I for one am really glad you are god damn crazy because I just found this blog yesterday and I already am getting a Phd. level education in Making Money Online with SEO.
Not only are you giving great information but I also really like the enthusiasm. I love this stuff and it is great to read somebody else who feels the same way. Ive got 13 hubs, so another 30 in 7 days should be doable. See you in a week.
Thanks
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Very interesting strategy.
Just one point - you say “I had a 3 dollar click today. I would have had 6 dollars, but Hubpages took 50%. This is why you ultimately want your own site to get 100% of the revenue.”
I don’t think that’s how hubpages works. They split revenue 60%/40% to you, and it’s done via impressions. What happens is that when loading up your page, they pick a random number between 1 and 99, and if it is below 40, they display adsense with their adsense ID and if the number is above 40 they display ads with your adsense ID on it. You can actually tell which ID is being used if you look at the bar at the bottom of your browser as it loads adsense on your hubpage.
This is why the adsense impressions in your account never quite match the hubpages analytics - it’s because part of the time their ID is showing. But your $3 click was all yours. It’s just you are not getting all the potential clicks because sometimes your adsense ID isn’t being used.
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Hey. You’re right about that, thanks. I should have looked that over more carefully
So technically, I’m making more money but I don’t see it.
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Wahoo, I am famous! Court and those guys were going to use a testimonial piece I wrote up on them. (I went from $0 to $6000 in 7 months just reading and implementing there ideas.) But I guess that ultimately never showed up. (I was never a member of the Keyword Crash Course)
If you ever want to chat Ben, shoot me an email! I tend to be one not to really check up on blog comments too much.
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Oh, PS, I crossed the $10/day with my Hubs.
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Sure thing Josh! I’ve made 12 bucks today with my hubs
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Glad it’s starting to work out Ben. Just reading about all the work you’re putting in makes me tired! I’ve made a few hubs recently but your success had made me want to make some more and use some of your advice to see if I can make some money with them. I really only used hubs for backlinks to my niche sites but I’m going to do some research and target higher paying keywords etc.
What slows me down is not the writing but finding the keywords. I’m really not good writing about financial stuff which seems to be the best area for high cpc’s.
Anyway keep up the highly informative posts - your RSS is on my short list of ‘good sites’ - I’ve dumped all the waste of time ones
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Hah, thanks Janet. Glad you find my information useful! Being dumped into the “good site” category is always a good thing!
Yea, hubs are going fantastic. If it keeps going like this, I’ll spend another solid month getting to 500 hubs, hah. The day is not yet over and i’ve pulled in 14 bucks already, just off my hubs.
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Hey! Good job dude. I’ve been watching the experiment and I’ve realized that there are money in hubpages, a lot of money if you want to work and give it a shoot.
I’ve created a couple of hubpages [ 2 months ago ] and I’ve realized that without doing anything [ backlinks and whatsoever ] I’ve made almost 2 bucks [ in 2 weeks ] which is impressive [ I know, 2 bucks, but it I'll put work it will probably work good ].
Then I saw Court succes and I’ve realized that OMG, 1000+$ per month, for me, will be awesome. I am a student and I wish to travel but I’ve never realized or wanted to realize the power of the web.
If you don’t mind I have a question or two. What is the basic average of CPC you’re using on your keywords? Have you used keywords like saying 15$ or more? Or 2$ are enough?
I guess that if you put a lot of work and do a couple of hubpages [ like 500/1000 or more ] you could easily go after 100-200$ dollars per day. If you get money from other sources to [ around the web ] then you could easily go after more.
Thanks for motivation dude. Keep in touch!
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Very informative Indeed. I have created 4 hubpages for one website so far. all hubs are 500+ words. I’ve probably put up one video or several images for all the hubs combined.
I do want to know if you have any strategies for Squidoo lenses. I just created three of those and put quite a no. of pictures and amazon adds on them. Of course they are rather new and have very low ranks but I suspect the fancy stuff is making their ranking even worse.
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Hey Ben - glad to see you are getting some return on your effort. I joined the challenge as well and have been following Court on the TKA forums…. My problem is that I’m not making any money. Well, not much anyway. 502 Impressions - 11 clicks for $3.65. If you have a sec, could you take a look at my Hub profile and tell me what you think? What should I do different for the next 60 hubs? Thanks!
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Geo. I took a look at your niches. A couple problems:
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The main problem I think is that your niches aren’t really about topics that people are going to want to click ads on. I’m not saying you can’t make them profitable or whatnot, but on first impression, they don’t really deal with the main “needs” people want to find a solution to. This is why things like getting rid of acne, curing hair loss, and loosing weight are big money makers — because people are desperate for a solution, so desperate that they will explore avenues and pay money to solve it. I’m not saying people out there are not looking for attic stairs, but I don’t thing you will find too many people willing to click on those ads.
2) You need to be going after long tails that both target a problem. Dinner plates and diaper caddies don’t do this. Sure, someone might type in “dinner plates” in google. But does that mean they are looking to buy dinner plates? For 10 people who type that in, there may only be 1 person who is looking to buy. Look for longer tail phrases that target a problem like “what are the best dinner plates” or “How to choose dinner plates.” However, I think, unless you rank in the top 5 for google (and you won’t without work), this is not a niche that’s suited for clicks.
Read Grizz’s Make Money Online for Beginner’s blog. He has some useful info about keyword phrases that bring in money.
Also, some of your niches are NOT generating relevant Google ads. This may be because there are no real advertisers in this niche (one way to test is to type your keyword phrase into Google and see how many ads pop up on the left side with the keyword in them. I usually aim for like 4+. If you see lots, you know there is money).
Now, and let me be clear, the ONLY way to tell if money is in a niche is to get on the first page of Google and in the top 5. Which leads to the next point…
3) Many of your niches (i took a look at a handful) are too competitive for you to rank high. Diaper Caddies for example. A quick check shows a bit of competition — too much competition the rank on the first page with just your hub page. That means you won’t be getting a lot or any of that traffic. Now, if you wanted to treat your hub like a niche blog and you don’t mind spending 6 months trying to rank #1, sure, go for it. But if you are doing that, you should not be using hubs to do this.
You should be going after niches that have NO competition. Let me be clear. You need to target NO competition. Forget about 1/2/3k people a month. Look for the 100-300 people range a month.
And remember: don’t give up! Keep on throwing niches out there and see what works. If you find a niche that is bringing in clicks, then make hubs in related niches. Keep on working at it and something will happen.
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Moataz
As I am not trying to generate revenue on Squidoo, it shouldn’t give you any advice on how to make money with them — I would be talking out of my ass since I’ve never tried to make money with them.
A couple observations though: squidoo has been bitched slapped by google. I believe they used to rank quite well in google, much like hub pages do now, but too many spammers started using them and now squidoo lenses don’t rank very easily.
Hubpages have people monitoring them to make sure spam get’s kicked out. It seem to have a lot of trust in google’s eyes. Why can you make money fast with hubpages? Because the domain authority allows you to get your hubs indexed in hours and ranked good for long tail terms right off the bat. It’s a nice shortcut. Squidoo dones’t have that right now.
You also need to decide on what type of revenue you are generating. Are you trying to get adsense clicks or are you trying to sell them ebay or amazon products? If you want adsense then don’t throw up amazon or ebay — at least not on the main body.
So, no I don’t suggest throwing up lots of pictures and videos — it’s only going to distract the person from doing what you want them to: clicking on an ad or buying a products
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jother
CPC completely depends on what you are trying to do. If you can find a niche with high traffic, no competition, and low CPC (.80-1 buck), go for it. You might get 200 people to your hub today and get 20 clicks, each giving you .10, which comes out to 2 bucks a day.
Or you could have a high CPC, low comp, low traffic niche
3 people come to your hub a day and score an average of 1 click. That 1 click gives you 2 bucks.
It’s all the same and it all depends on the niche. Sure, you can find a high CPC niche (there are a lot of them out there), but it might be in a niche where few people click. Or you can find a high traffic low cpc niche that is really great for clicks, even if you get paid crap.
My own experience, I have both high and low cpc’s like you mention. I’m still trying to experiement to see what works. Right now, I am finding high cpc works better for me (though I still get low CPC clicks too, which really ad up).
However, there are a few people in this competition that are doing FANTASTIC with only really low paying CPC niches with lots of traffic.
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That’s great Ben! Thank you very much for your evaluation - I really appreciate it. I’ve got 50 to go to reach the end of the challenge, I think I’m going to go a different direction for them.
Cheers.
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Sorry Ben - I was just thinking …. so your advice is to not necessarily go after keywords with $50.00 potential like Court advises? How low would you go?
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Geo. Keep in mind that Court’s rules are a guideline. He says 50 a month for a very good reason. BUT, hubs are easy to spit out. What if one hub only generated 5 bucks a month? Then what if you had 300 of them? As long as you know this, that’s fine. But if building 500 hubs brings you a steady income 1000-1500 a month and you have to ignore the 50 dollar rule to do it, then ignore it.
Also realize that the value you see with that formula of court’s is a minimum value. You will get other traffic from long tails and not your main keyword. This is especially true with hubs. That whole formula is based off getting to the top of the search for your niche. Unless you pick a niche with absolutely NO competition, the formula won’t even apply because you won’t be on the first page of google even.
That formula is great for websites and niche blogs where you are going to put in a lot of backlink work to realize the formula calculation. Not so with hubs, unless you want to treat the hub like a blog or website — I don’t.
I think the best think you should do is what grizzly does — spit as many sites out as possible and see what brings in the clicks. But you need sites of there to do that.
Probably not as helpful as you are looking for. Yes, I’d say if possible, stick to court’s 50 bucks a month rule. But, I’ll tell you right now that a LOT of the hubs won’t bring in 50 a month without backlink work. And sometimes, 50 a month sites have too much competition. If you drop down for the 20-30 bucks a month sites, you can rank much higher — sometimes.
If you intent to treat hubs like a niche blog, go for it the 50 buck a month rule. But if you want to scatter your hubs in the wind and see what happens, then don’t. You may be missing creating some hubs that pull in some good revenue.
The key is no competition hubs. I started of going after medium comp and then to low comp. Finally I started to see something with no comp niches. I am actually now starting to see clicks from sites that didn’t get anything for 2 weeks, so don’t give up on your old sites to! Next week i’m going to post some more tips in a new update.
Cheers
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Thanks again Ben! Ok - last question … I promise! lol. What do you consider low or no competition to be? Is a couple of PR2 sites in the top 4 or 5 low? What is your cutoff for low competition? What is your cutoff for no competition.
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NO competition means sites with PR -1, PR0, and PR 1.
BUT, you need to understand a bit about PR. PR and search rankings are not exactly related. You can have a HIGH PR but be nowhere on the search engines. You can also have PR 0 and be dominating #1 for a competative term. Grizzly’s main blog was like this.
PR is a “quick” way to get an idea how much work it will take to dominate the keyword, but there is much more to consider than just PR. The number of backlinks and the QUALITY of backlinks are really what count. PR can be related to these, but not always. I know court says a bit different than this, but he gives an nice easy system that most people can follow. But, you can beat out a 3/4/5 PR website if they dont’ have proper anchor links the keyword. Grizzly talks a lot about this on his blog, and I’m sure if you ask him where you should make a decision based of PR he’ll tell you no way.
Ah well.
I suggest you should check the number of backlinks the top posts have. If it’s a handful, then perfect. If it’s a PR 0 with the keyword in the title and a 100, then look elswhere — you will have to fight for that spot then.
If the top searches are forum posts, article directory posts, and/or long deep links on an unrelated website — you have a good chance of ranking high right away.
Ben
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thanks for the response.
I have targeted 3 keywords so far. One is about tires and seems to be getting the most clicks. The second is about paintball and the reason I chose it is because it is such a profitable niche. The third just got ranked in MSN today at no.4 and its hubscore is going up rather quickly (probably because of back-links from Goarticles). I’m not sure about it though since it seems to be the worst of the three
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Hi Ben,
Thank you for sharing what you’ve learned through all of your hard work. It is very appreciated.
I’m still very unclear about how to define low competition (or no competition) keywords for use in the building of our hubs. I am a student of Court and Mark at the Keyword Academy and I’ve decided to try making money with hubpages, as they have been discussing lately. I’ve spent a lot of time compiling a list of “green keywords” that meet the competition criteria they have laid out for building our niche sites. But now it seems that you are saying that their criteria leads to keywords that are still too competetive to use them in making our hubs, at least if you want more immediate results (which I do). Can you give us some concrete rules that you follow for keyword selection for your hubs. I’ve looked at some of your most recent hubs, and it seems that sometimes you use some keywords that have high PR pages showing up in the top 4 or 5 search results, while at other times you use keywords with only PR0 or PR1 showing at the top of the search results. If a search of a keyword in Google returns a PR4 or PR5 page at the top, but the number of backlinks pointing to that page is low, would you still consider that a low competition keyword? Can you show us step by step what you’re doing to evaluate the competitiveness of your potential keywords? It would be very helpful.
Also, how are you finding the long tail keyword phrases that you are targeting? Again, I use the Google keyword tool in conjunction with Court’s method, but some of your keywords seem to be beyond the keywords you find using that tool. Are you using some other keyword tool? If not, how are you generating your long tail keywords with the Google keyword tool?
Again, thanks for your hard work in all of this and I hope you’ll be able to shed some more light on what you’re doing. I’m someone who needs a lot of guidance when it comes to all of this.
Jim
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Hi Jim. Yes, Court and Mark’s criteria works wonderful for self hosted niche blogs, or grizzly style blogger blogs.
And, you can apply the same principle to hubs. However, this will require backlink work, which is fine. However, since Hubpages leach 40% of your page impressions, they are taking a fair share of your ad clicks. If I’m making 10 bucks a day, you can bet that hubpages is taking between 4-10 bucks of that income. If you are going to spend the time to send backlinks to a niche, it might as well be on your own blog.
So, if you follow court and marks green keyword guide, you will, at least for the majority of the sites, not be ranked high..domain authority of hubpages or not. Now, if you have a long term plan over the next couple months to systematically send backlinks to your hubs, not problem. But then, if that’s the case, just create blogger blogs for the niche instead of hubs. You will earn more money.
So yes, you want to start making money right away. That means finding niches where you can make a hub and a few days later it’s already on the first or second page. I have one site that’s ranked page 2 and I’m getting about 30 people a day from it — it makes me about .50 - 1 buck a day. Not bad for just spending the time to write and post something.
Now, that’s why you might see some of my sites — if you happen to know what they are (I’ve only posted a link in a couple “secret” places as I don’t really want the masses descending onto my hubs or to somehow get suspended)
BUT
there is another way to make money on hubpages. It’s called long tail traffic. You can still make money entering a competitive niche, even if you don’t rank. You have to rely on long tails that bring in traffic relating to your main keyword but who find you site through a long tail google ranks you high for. This is why, if you look at my hubs, you may see this PR inconsistency. I’ll always go for a no comp niche, but if I see a high paying long tail niche with strong competition, I’ll still make a hub counting on long tail traffic to find the site.
I’m still pretty busy trying to finish off my 200+ hubs and ezine articles. But, when the experiment is done, I’ll document exactly how I’m got my hubs making 7-15 bucks a day. I’ll even set up a new hub account and create a follow along account for people to see what I’m doing.
The main thing to keep in mind though — this is just my way of doing it that I’ve seen work for me. Court has his own personal way and a few others are doing different things.
However, one thing I can assure you is that you are going to need a lot of hubs to make a few bucks. I may have 150 hubs, but I only might get a handful of clicks a day — having a lot of hubs ensures I have the best chance of getting clicks. If I had 20 hubs or so I doubt I would get clicks every day without ranking with backlinks.
If you want to make some coin, I would aim for about 75-100 hubs. Court might be able to make 10 bucks a day with 60 hubs, but I can bet 95% of the people won’t be able to replicated that with the same amount of hubs.
Ben
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hi there,
i discovered your site via Lissie. I am new to creating hubpages and just wanted to thank you for all your feedback. This is all very helpful as I am still trying to learn about keyword research. My question to you is: do you write all of your own hubs or are you outsourcing? If you do write them yourself, how do you find the time for anything else, like work and a life? Do you have a family who have forgotten what you look like? lol.
congratulations on your progress so far and I look forward to your step by step follow up hubs showing us exactly how you do it.
Thanks again.
ps. are you actually enjoying the challenge?
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Glad you find it useful. Yes, I do all my own writing, at least for these hubs. But, I do outsource quite often.
You can learn to write pretty fast. Article writing is a bit of a skill — once you’ve written several hundred articles, you can pop them out. The main thing though is you have to just site down and work — no web surfing, no chattting. If you do solid work, you can get a lot done.
I spend most of the day writing hubs and ezine articles — that’s what it’s taking to get 200-250 hubs and 100 ezines done in a month, hah.
Ben
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Ben, just a curiosity. Have your adsense income from hubpages grown or it is constant (after 2 weeks and more). It’s just a curiosity because you have sayed that it is not constant and I guess that maybe after a few weeks it’s going to be more and constant
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@jother
Yes, it’s grown in two weeks. I only started to really make some money the two mondays ago. I started off with 3-4 bucks a day for a week or so. Last week was good with days that reach 12 bucks. This week has been good, I made 16 bucks yesterday with my hubs.
But, I notice it can swing around. You might have 7 bucks one day, and 14 bucks the next. But I notice the more hubs you have, the more you raise the “bottom” of your adsense earnings. So, at least so far, it’s pretty consistent.
As the domains age, things should get even better — especially since I am not working on sending ezine backlinks to every single hub, and working UAW, BS, AMA links to them as well.
I really should be sending more backlinks, but i’ve been spending most of my time just writing the damn hubs
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@admin: thanks for the answer. It was pretty fast, I was not expecting it. So, if you’re doing 15$ per day with no more than 150 hubs I guess with more hubs you could easily reach 100$ per day, of course it could be more if the domains age. It’s wonderful how great are working hubpages.
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So far, it seems that making money with hubs is not simply sheer quantity. There are people with 500-1000 hubs, aparently, who aren’t pulling in cash — according to the forums.
You have to pick the right hubs, write a certain way to get any money. But the more hub you have, the more lickly you will find good niches.
Ben
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Ben-
I just found this today and it’s really interesting. When you talk about 100-300 a month I think you are referring to the number of searches a month in the google tool right? But do you use any specific numbers for competition? For instance, if you put the phrase in quotes in google what range would you use? Also, do you use a specific tool to find words that have low competition but high cpc?
I also wasn’t sure if you link to your own sites from the hub and get possible income via adsense in both places (and if that is ok with hub rules). Since you can make more from your own site, is it ok to also have a link to a blog that targets the same keywords? Thanks and I will hopefully be able to study your blog more at work tomorrow!
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I came here from Lissie’s blog too. I salute you for the work you are putting in and for the manner you share iand help others, but even as long-time reader of the Griz, I find I am really, really puzzled as to what the advanatge of trying to make money with HubPages is?
When I have seen them mentioned before it is as one of many tools to provide links and drive traffic to a ‘money’ site. Why not put up a site based on a long tail keyword that pays and be done with it? HubPages don’t ‘leach’ or ’steal’, they are taking a commission to pay for the servic ethey provide. If you don’t have hosting available and/or don’t want to pay 8or 9 bucks ayear for aURL, fine, I can understand that, but use the Griz’s formula. In the same time you can put up 100 or 200 Hub pages you can put up an equivilant number of Blogger blogs, do the same traffic driving work, and keep 100% of the revenue, rather than 60%.
Call me old fashioned or missing the point, but why lose 40% of the top from the start for a service that Google provides for free? I can see what’s in it for HubPages, I surely can’t see what’s in it for all those who are working so hard just to pay HubPages share? If you do the numbers on several of these successful on-going experiments, people like Court would be money ahead to have aURL and hosting, paid for by income …it’s come up to a lot less that what everyone is effectively paying as a service fee to Hubpages. It is not hard at all to make low or no competition long tail keywords rank, certainly no harder than to make the same phrase rank in a Hub.
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Hi Dave. Yes, long term, it’s better to create 200 blogger blogs and do what I am doing.
Hubpages have two advantages
1. High domain authority right out of the box
2. Easy to set up (I’d say even easier than blogger blogs) and monetize.
However, if you go the blogger blogs, you are going to have to shoot a lot more back links at them than say a hubpage. And of course, backlinks are always king.
If you want to make a bit of money WITHOUT doing too much in the way of backlink work, you can use hubs.
But, here is the real advantage of hubs: you can hijack the domain authority to sniff out niches. Let’s say I create 100 blogger blogs and 100 hubpages. The hubpages are going to rank much higher, even for low comp niches. This means you will get more traffic and you can better gauge if there is money to be made from the clicks.
I have to disagree about your point that blogs are as easy to rank as a hubpage. I have a hubpage that is outranking a selfhosted money site and several support blogger blogs in the same niche.
I also suspect because of the trust hubpages has with google, it is less easy to get sandboxed and you can shoot a lot more links at it. I can’t say this for sure though. I did take one hub and spammed like 10 articles to AMA and 5 to UAW backlink networks and throw in a good 10 links from related hubs. After 3 weeks, the hub is taking in about 65 people a day now.
However, it sucks looking at my adsense total for the day (it ranges from 7-15 bucks so far) and realizing I’ve probably lost an additional 5-10 bucks. I’m really making 13-25 bucks a day.
I’m doing a different project for my next experiement, extending the idea of hubpages to my own self hosted blog. But the month after that, I am going to make another challenge — 200 blogger.com blogs in 30 days.
I strongly believe in testing something before preaching anything to you guys. So, like I said, I am pretty confident hubpages rank much higher right off the bat. BUT I will be able to tell you 100% in 2 months time, when I pump out my 200 blogger blogs in 1 month challenge
Thank!
Ben
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Do you worry about whether the images you use are copyrighted or not?
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Im looking forward to see if you make some big money sounds like a good plan
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Hi, Where are you from? Is it a secret?
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Hello,
Thank you! I would now go on this blog every day!
AlexAxe
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Hello,
Can i take a one small photo from your site?
Hobosic
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I am still determined to make at least 1k a month with hubs. I loved reading your tips on targeting low competition keywords.
P.S. I want to have your babies! (Did Mike tell you that yet?)
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September 17th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Thanks Sara, lol.
As far as hubs, the amount of effort you need to now put in to get 1k a month may not be worth it. I would give infobarrel a shot — these actually rank — or work your own sites. You can make 1k a month with hubs, but you are going to need a lot more now or you are going to have to have many hubs with a good amount of backlinks. Better to focus the effort on your own sites.
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Are we Indians so bad in writing?
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Hi,
Not sure that this is true:), but thanks for a post.
AnnaHopn
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Where are you from? Is it a secret?
Saurooon
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Fairly informative but you are just admitting that you are a prostitute by requesting that we backlink you. You seem intelligent, but do you realize Adsense will blacklist you for being an information slut.
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