It’s been a great week for my hubpages. I’m not going to retire on my hub earning any time soon, but I’ve seen consistent earnings, day in and day out since my last update. If you don’t have an account, you need to get on over and sign up for a hubpage account and start making money!
Summary of Stats
Note: brackets are last week’s stats. If two brackets, the second bracket is week before last:
-First Hubs published 25 days ago
-180 Hubs (116) (61)
-Word Count between 400-1000 words. The average would be about 650
-Hubpage views 4635 (1900)
- 2,774 total/ 2,086 unique (834/618)
-1,627 Google visits (509)
-583 Yahoo visits (185)
-28 AOL visits (12)
-87 Ezine Articles (0)
-82 clicks total (31) (7)
-$73 ($26) ($2.44)
-Adsense amount of time of writing: 13 bucks – June 5, 11:30 pm
I also made 60 bucks yesterday from my ebay affiliate links. I am not sure if it was from the ebay links in some of my hubs or from a couple other ebay niche sites I have.
Result Discussion
Ok let’s discuss the results. As you can see from last week, there has been a BIG increase in both the traffic and the click rate and money earned. Now, we can explain some of the changes due to the number of hubs that I pushed out. But, you may notice that the figures keep on getting higher and higher. For example, last week’s update I had 509 visitors. 7 days later, I now have over 3 times that amount. Same with clicks, I’ve had almost 3 times the number of clicks. I’ve only added about 60 more hubs in that time.
What accounts for this? Aging. You are seeing the effects aging on the hubs. The older the hubs are, the higher up in the rankings they are moving, and subsequently, the more traffic I’m getting. I hope this gives some of you who just start a couple hubs and despair when you only see 1 or 2 people a day. The longer your hubs age, the more traffic they should pull in. This is also one reason why I am confident I’ll be making more money next month than I did this month. I don’t know if my earning will be more next week (Court’s earnings dipped quite a bit this current update), but I suspect in a months’ time, I should be making more.
Now, let’s talk about the money. I went through my reporting for the last update and found I was off by like 5 bucks (I counted an extra day). I changed the tally and put them in brackets next to my stats so you can compare.
But as you can see, in 7 days (counting today), I’ve made almost 73 dollars (rounded up). That’s a mite over 10 dollars average a day. My top day was about 14 or 15 bucks and my lowest day was 3 bucks (Sunday). As you can see, in 7 days I have tripled my earnings from last week. Last week, I had about 26 bucks, which was about 9 times the amount I had the week before (3 bucks). As you see, it’s only getting MUCH better. Now, I don’t suspect I’ll get double the earnings next week (final week). But, I believe I’ll get more, maybe around the 100 or so range, but we’ll see. I’ll have another 40-50 hubs out there and all my hubs will be even older.
Now, an interesting note. Near the beginning of the experiment, I singled out 5 niches and I spammed them with links from Article Marketing Automation and Unique Article Wizard. I think I must have sent out like 10 AMA articles for each hub and a couple UAW articles. I also added a few links in Connect Content. Now, I didn’t see an improvement in the traffic I was getting right away. But after about a week I noticed the sites were getting the most traffic out of all my hubs. Now, they are blowing my other hubs away in terms of traffic. The top one is getting about 50 uniques a day from google and the other 4 are pretty close. In comparison, I have a lot of other hubs that only get 10 or even 2 people a day.
What does that mean? You can really lever backlink services to give your hubs an boost in traffic. It may take a few weeks for you to notice, but it’s well worth doing. Now, as an experiment, I really spammed the links to those 5 hubs. I wouldn’t normally do this for a niche site, but my theory was that hubpages has a lot of domain authority and links to the parent domain, so I figured you could get away with sending as many links as you want. So far, it seems to have worked.
The past week, I have been backing my hubs up with links from article directories. So far, I think about 50 of the 180 hubs have article directory links to them. After I finish my hubs, I’m going to spend a solid 4 days backing every single hub up with directory links and a run of UAW, BS, AMA, and Book Marking Demon, as well as a few other “tools” I have in my linking arsenal. We’ll see how that pans out for my revenue later.
How to Make Money With Hubpages
Ok, since I’ve been giving out advice about how to make money with hubs my last 3 updates, I’ll continue the trend, sharing what I’ve learned. I’m giving out new information here that I didn’t talk about in the other updates.
Backup all hub pages with backlinks
Treat each home like a niche blog/website post that you want to rank for a term. This means sending backlinks to each hub. As I previously stated, I sent a lot of backlinks from Article Marketing Automation to several of my hubs; they are now my most visited hubs. This means using your hub for link exchanges, sending article directory links to it, using backlink networks to send links, etc. The more links, the higher your hubs will rank. Now, I do suggest that you don’t overdo it. Google may penalize you. As always, you should try to vary your anchor text in each link.
Choose the Right Niches
Now there are a million niches out there and this is the hardest part. My advice is to stick with long tails. “cancer cures” may be a great niche, but you can bet a few other million internet marketers feel the same thing. It’s must better to go for something like “Cure cancer with natural remedies” or something like this. The longer the tail, the less traffic and also the more targeted traffic. The more targeted the traffic, the higher your CTR will be (ad click rate).
And folks, don’t pick the same generic long tails EVERY other marketer things of. This means don’t bother with “how to cure cancer” or “cystic acne treatments” or “how to lose weight.”
Pick a niche that has some potential, pull out some paper, and write down phrases you might type to find some sort of solution or answer to a problem in that niche. You can come up with some phrases that are off the beaten track. These phrases, lo and behold, may have a good CPC and a decent amount of traffic. These are what I call good “low competition” niches.
I’ve been finding that creating hubs about specific products often leads to clicks. For example, creating a hub about “Pond’s Moisturizing Face Cream for Women” may more often than not lead to a click than “face cream for women.” This is especially if the ads are targeted. Mind you, the product you target should solve some sort of problem.
Create Lots of Hubs
Guys, if you are participating in the 30 hubs in 30 days challenge, pack up and go home. You are not going to see any income with that. Yes, yes, there are a couple people here that were making good money with 40 or so hubs. Court for one and Joshua (see comments on my other updates). But both of them have a good deal of experience and the majority of you don’t. I say plan on creating at least 100 hubs if you want to see some fast income. I’m not saying you can’t make good money with 30 hubs IF YOU SEND BACKLINKS, but I don’t think you’ll be pulling in 5 bucks a day with that. But, I’d love to be proven wrong here, so feel free to tell me I’m wrong – if you are.
A final tip here, don’t fucking make 30 or so hubs in the exact same niche unless you are making money in it. I’ve seen a couple people who created 30 or so hubs about a single topic and they weren’t getting a single click. I suggest throwing as many hubs in different niches as possible. You have a much better chance of not screwing yourself over by creating 100 hubs in a dead end niche. But, a few hubs in a niche are good.
Create Multiple Hubs in the Same Niche
I suggest when creating hubs, you throw out 3-5 hubs per each niche. For example, “cure cancer with aspirin”, “how to cure cancer with maple syrup”, and “best way to cure cancer fast”, “treat cancer with Advil”, “Cheap cancer scans.” Since they are all related, you can use them to send good, relevant backlinks to each other. You also have a higher chance of “testing’ out a niche to see if there is potential. Four of the hubs may be losers, but one might start scoring clicks.
Optimize Keywords for Adsense
I’ve found sometimes the ads present in a hub don’t actually match the content. You may have to go back and tinker with your text a bit. I’ve found changing the keywords in the title or in the paragraph next to the ads may help trigger ads relating to your site. I suggest before you actually create a hub about a niche, you type the keyword phrase into Google to see what ads pop up on the right hand side. If there are no ads, you won’t be getting much in the way of targeted ads. For example, if you niche is about “How to Cure Cancer With Antibiotics”, you will score the most clicks from ads contain something close to your keyword phrase. If you’ve done everything right, someone found your site by typing in a long tail related to your keyword. If the ads also contain that keyword or something close, it’s laser targeted and this will be more likely to click.
Now, if the ads start to show “cancer treatments” and “cancer advice” and “cancer peer group,” the person who found your site by typing “how to cure cancer with antibiotics” probably won’t be as inclined to click the ads.
Now, I know you can’t exactly control what ads are displayed and the best you can do is to have keywords that the ads can pick out and use, but at the very least, think twice about making a niche hub that doesn’t have very many relevant ads.
Write for Adsense
I’ve said this before, but I’ll say it again: don’t answer the fucking question when you write your hubs. A few people have been sending me hubs to look at, and let me say folks, you are spending way too much time. ALL you need to do is write content that will pass a visual from a Google engineer. That means making sure the text actually is relevant to the webpage and is readable by a human. This month, I think I’ll devote a post giving writing instructions about how to write poorly so you make money with Adsense
This is my personal way of doing it with hubs:
INTRO <--bland but gets the point across. I always have the keyword phrase I am targeting in here, either t op line or end of intro paragraph.
BODY1 <--talk about WHY the reader should look online to find a product, or encourage reader to look online
for the best deal, etc. This ENCOURAGES reader to look for a solution in the ads. Hopefully, they
just see how shitty and uniformative your post is and beat it the hell out of your site, through one of
the ads you have subliminally encouraged them to click.
BODY2 <--more blather, somewhat informative. use keyword once.
PICTURE
CONCLUSION <-might actually say something useful here. Use keyword and related longtails
EBAY/AMAZON (if relevant to niche)
NEWSFEED (can give related longtails)
LINKS (add a couple to wikipedia. Looks more legit)
COMMENTS
Now you might note that I try to "help" people click on the ad write away. Folks this doesn't mean you tell them to click on the ad. You will get your ass banned right out of adsense for good. I mean, if you niche is about treating cancer with wool sock home remedies, explain to them why they should look online for more information or to find the best deal on the product etc. I have noticed a higher CTR by doing this, but you'll just have to see if it works for you. Maybe it will, maybe it won't.
As for placing the actual adsense ads, I've talked about this before. But I suggest you take a look at Lissie's Adsense Placement hub for an informative look on how to position adsense for best results.
Now, I believe content does not matter at all for ranking. I know Grizzly hammers this across a lot and from what I see, it’s true. Good content is always better than poor content, but good content also take a hell of a lot of time to write. In the time that it takes to write a well crafted article that’s actually worth reading, I can blast off 5 shitty articles that will draw in more clicks than the good article ever will. If you are trying to make money with Adsense, you don’t want good writing folks. If you are trying to score affiliate sales or get people to join your member’s club or something, or get props from other bloggers about how “intelligent” you are, then write good content. If you are trying to create a strong flagship blog, write good content. If you are trying to make money online with niche marketing sites, write shitty, terrible, horrible content that is just good enough not to be tossed out as spam.
This blog is actually my one attempt to provide somewhat decent, if badly spelled, content to attracted natural links. I’m not putting any work into SEO for this site, because, well, I’m not trying to make any money with it. I like doing it Grizzly style – free information! But I’m keen to see if by providing good, compelling and useful content, I can attract a fair amount of natural links.
Make Money with Hubpages without Ranking for the Main Keyword
So I’ve decided to tell you a dirty little secret about make money with hubpages. I suppose I could keep this to myself, but, I’m in the giving mood tonight. Or maybe it’s that I’ve written almost 20 hubs and 5 ezines today and I’m too fucking tired to be greedy. Either way, your benefit.
I’ve discovered that you don’t really need to rank at all for you keyword phrase to make money with hubpages. You see, hubpages gives your hub enough authority to quickly rank for long tails. I don’t mean long tails that you target in your titles and posts, but natural longtails that just occur when you write. You can rank very high for these long tails because of hubpages’ domain authority. Now, I suspect that if you were to create 100, 1 article blogger blogs, you wouldn’t get nearly the same traffic as you would putting those same 100 articles up as 100 different hubs. This is why you can make money with hubpages without really doing any serious backlink work. I’ve making over 10 bucks a day like this.
Now there are a few stipulations here.
1. You need a hell of a lot of hubs to get enough money (I’d say 75-125 hubs. The more the more $ you
make)
2. You need to pick the right niches that actually will click on ads
Now, folks, I’m getting clicks by making hubs in niches I have no hope in hell of ranking for. For example, If I make a site about “how to cure cancer”, I would rightly expect not to be ranked very high (or at all) for that term, and not without months of backlinks work. I am certainly not going to put months of work into trying to get a hub niche ranked #1 for something like that; I would want my own self hosted blog up there so I have more control and keep all the money.
BUT, if you stuff your post with enough related longtails, you can attract Google search long tail traffic that is targeted to the same niche — people who will still click on the ads. So, while someone typing in “how to cure cancer” may not (in fact, won’t) find my site, someone typing in “how to cure cancer with vitamins” might. There is a pretty good chance that person will click on an ad — especially if your long ass post (and it should be long if you want to make this strategy effective) mentions somewhere that vitamins can cure cancer. Even if you don’t mention vitamins, you have still got a reader who is looking for how to cure cancer — a topic your post should be about.
If really long tail traffic is finding your site, it’s usually pretty targeted. Note, this long tail strategy only works for some niches. I have some niches with a lot of traffic and few clicks, and other hubs with few traffic and a lot of clicks. You will just have to make a hundred or so hubs to find out which niches work and which don’t.
If you want to make money with long tail traffic, you need to have long posts to maximize the longtail traffic. The more you talk about, the more longtails google can rank you for. Don’t expect to get as many long tails from a 250 word hub as a 1000 word beast. I’d probably aim for about 700-800 words per hub, if you want long tail traffic.
Now, I have to be careful telling you this, as you could end up in trouble. I am not saying create every single hub in a niche you can’t and won’t ever rank for. But I’m saying if you think you have a winning phrase that might pick up some clicks, but there are a bunch of PR 4/5 blogs sitting at the top of the serps, make it anyways. You’ll still get an occational click if you set it up right.
But, if you only have 100 hubs, and you create all 100 hubs in niches you have no chance of dominating, then you will only ever be getting trickle long tail traffic. While this may provide you with a bit of an income if you have a lot of hubs, it’s going to be less effective over the long run because you won’t be dominating the search engines for those phrases. And folks, you want to be in the top 5. Instead of getting a paltry 5 bucks a day from 100 hubs catching long tail traffic, you’ll get 5 bucks a day from 1 hub alone.
I just want you to be aware that you may still make some money with hubs, even if you are not ranking. I’ll go after a long tail phrase that looks good if I think I can score a couple occasional clicks. If spending 20 minutes writing an article can bring in a .50 or a buck every week, the effort was well worth the time. You should try to make most of your hubs in uncompetitive niches so you can dominate them with backlink work and get more money.
And there were some more tips, but fuck it. I’ve spend 2 hours writing this damn post and I’m not getting paid to do it. I’ll post one more update next Wednesday or Thursday, wrapping up the 200 hubs in 30 day challenge/experiment. I’m going to see if I can crank out 250 hubs actually, but I’ll see how it goes. I’ve also been promising a big ass tutorial “How to Make Money Online with Hubpages” that compiles everything I’ve talked about the past 4 posts with some other useful tidbits all packed into a “tutorial” format.
Anyways, I hope you found this post useful. If you found it useful,you can pay me back by sending a backlink from a blog 
Again, this has turned into another hulking monster of a post. I’m beginning to despair of ever writing a post here that’s less than 3000 words.
Ben
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Yupeee! Ben, I’m reading it! Finally! Thank You!
Regards,
Denis
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Hi Ben,
Found you from TKA blog and have been following this challenge.
Wow, you have done alot of work! I’m amazed at how much you can write. Anyway, thanks for sharing all this info. I’m hoping to give hubpages a try and this was very helpful.
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I was waiting for this update. Pretty impressive and it shows if you want to do something, you can. I’ve already done my first 2 bucks from hubpages and I want to get more.
I guess one of the most important things is to keep creating hubs (as you sayed, more than 30 hubs in 30 days), let them age and choose niches carefully.
I know I’m just at the beggining, but I really want to get 100$/day from hubpages. I think with a lot of work, thinking and carefully choosing niches, is possible
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another great post Ben - I really look forward to reading your stuff - how you have time to make all those hubs, articles etc etc and still write long Griz style posts I don’t know. Do you sleep at all?
I’m having great difficulty doing this - probably ‘cos I’m a teacher and it’s really hard for me to write shitty content! I’m definitely answering the questions too much.
Please, please write a post on ‘giving writing instructions about how to write poorly so you make money with Adsense ‘
Thanks sharing all your experience with us.
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Hi Ben,
Thanks for all the great information and help. I did 30 hubs this week and have made over $4 in clicks since I yesterday. I’m not sure where they came from as I haven’t installed analytics. I am unclear about whether each hub should have it’s own adsense channel. I believe you are limited to the number of channels you can use per account and you would quickly use these up with 100 hubs I don’t think it is possible since you register with hubpages directly. So how do I find out which hubs are getting the clicks?
I’m pretty sure I made every mistake you talked about above so hopefully I am finally on my way. Thanks for all the work you are putting into these posts it really helps a lot.
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Great post with loads of information. Found your website from Lissies webpage and it is very useful. I have been writing on Hubpages for a few months and have in that time written 18 hubs. I have done little if no SEO on these pages to start off with, and just chose terms I felt I couuld write a lot about. Sure enough I have had lots of luck with some, and made practically nothing from others. However, most of my pages have made at least something due to the long tail search terms which you mention in your article (the vast majority of my articles are over 1000 words long with some over 2000 words).
I also felt I should write as I am one of those people who has made money from very few hubs - almost $90 from my 18 hubs last month. Whilst I was very fortunate to make this due to a boost to my income froma link on the Yahoo homepage, I would still have definately made over $25 from these hubs. Whilst not a lot, it is worth remembering that this is organic residual income, so I will continue to earn from this well into the future (hopefully!) and I have now also learnt a lot from SEO etc.
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Oh my goodness - how do you do it? Writing sooo many hubs and then also writing a mega blockbuster of a post explaining everything to us in such detail? All I can say is a thousand thanks.
I have started writing hubs but it is not easy so it is nice to read something to really motivate me.
I really look forward to your tutorial as I am one of those who like to be guided by the hand to ensure I am doing things correctly. Learning from you will definitely ensure success.
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I’m really amazed at your ability to write that many articles for your hub and promotion.
Especially since you also have a job
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Well man, it’s me again. I finished your long beast and that was great! Thank you Ben for sharing your experience! I tried different layouts on hubpages but my most productive hubs have the default one. I don’t know is it by chance or not, but it is there.
I really admired by how you are able to generate so much content per day; I have to struggle sometimes to squeeze myself to make a couple of hubs a day (although I feel I can do at least twice or even triple more). But 20 hubs plus 5 ezines - come on, are you kidding? It’s hard to believe, but by judging what you’ve achieved - well, it seems to be true.
Have you ever used spinners for making articles for backlinking? I don’t have a subscription in AMA, so I still have to deal with spinners and then article directories. What do you think, is it OK? By the way, maybe you have mentioned but I forgot - how many in average, backlinks do you use for each hub? Or you judge individually?
Reading your tutorial will be great - step by step guide is always much appreciated.
And I would love to read your writing for adsense tips; I’ve got this problem that I try to write a decent content and answer (to some degree) people’s questions, thus spending (or wasting) a LOT of time. Though I’m getting better little by little:) This is another cause of my inability to write many hubs a day. So I really would like to know how to do it properly (in adsense style).
And by the way, Ben, how much time do you spend for writing a 500 word article? And how long it takes for you to create the whole hub (with links, RSS, images, etc.)?
And do you create hubs and links for them in one day? Every new link for me is a whole new article to make, even with spinners you have to put a lot of time in it. How long your ezine articles are (in words)? What do you mean by ‘I really spammed the links to those 5 hubs.’? What kind of spam are you talking about? Do you mean getting many backlinks in a short period of time?
What service do you use to find long tails: google keyword tool, wordtracker, or …?
I’m sorry for asking many questions, but I REALLY appreciate your help! Thank you Ben, for everything you do!
Regards,
Denis
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Are you sure you are not a machine? You may write more than anyone I have ever seen… yikes.
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Hey, thanks for the kind words. It’s a bit of a hobby of mine to help other people make money online.
@jother
100 bucks a day is feasible from what I’ve seen. If you find some niches that make a killing (very possible), you could get up there with 300-500 or so hubs I would think. If you are trying to target 100 bucks a day, you really need to focus on getting all your hubs ranked high for the keywords — it’s going to take a hell of a lot of hubs to get that just from long tail traffic. But if you pick the right niches and start to get them ranking high, very possible.
@janet
Yea, I’ll definitely make a post about that. I don’t claim to be an expert in this (I actually have one of my degrees in English and Journalism — my old profs would die of a heart attack if they new I was trying to teach people to write bad), but I’ve seen some good CTR results with the way I’m writing. I can give a few suggestions and maybe write a sample article for people to look at.
@agrande
That’s awesome. It’s good to see you persisted. If you made 4 bucks in a day, that’s fantastic! It will only get better with time. If you want to track your exact click, go to where you can add a custom channel in adsense, but make sure you click on ADD URL CHANNEL. You then put in the individual addresses of each hub. You can just add http://www.hubpages.com and be done with it, but you won’t know what pages get a click. It’s better to add the addresses of each hubpage, so you know what get’s clicks and what doesn’t. It helps you fine hone your hub building.
@Bristolboy
Good too see you are making money. I do know some people are making money with hubs. Most of the people writing hubs are blogger types and the type of articles they write and the content don’t do well for adsense. If you made 90 bucks from your hubs, that’s a great start. I would look at what hubs are getting clicks, then seeing what other related terms in that niche you can start publishing hubs for. You will only expand your income t his way.
@Tiptopcat
Yes, it’s a chore trying to churn out so much content, but it’s a great learning experience. You just have to force yourself sometimes!
@Denis
I find I can churn out 2 500-650 word hubs in about an hour if I’m on a roll. When I first started, it was about a hub an hour. If I write smaller 400 word hubs, then almost 3 an hour. This can vary though — especially when trying to interlink the hubs, add images, etc. But I try to have 2 650 or so word hubs up in an hour. You would be amazed at how much work you can do if you just work and not get distracted.
For Ezines, I’m a master. I do the bare minimum (250-300 words). I can actually write up about 8 or so articles in an hour. However, it takes about another hour to get them all submitted. This speed can vary greatly though. If it’s a new topic I’m not familiar with, my writing slows down a lot. It might take me 20 minutes an article at that point.
In general, to write a 400-500 word article, it should only take you guys about 30 minutes tops. NO LONGER. If you are spending 45 minutes or more on an article, you are doing something seriously wrong (unless you are trying to make 1000+ word beasts). Spending that much time tells me you are trying to answer the questions.
Denis, I don’t submit to article directories without a spinner. It would take way to long. If you want to mass submit to directories, you need to pony up the 45 bucks for AMA or UAW (I prefer AMA, though I have both). What you do is spend some time writing an article in spin notation, then you plug that spin notation into AMA and use it mass submit.
I’m going to have a post this month about some strategies to quickly generate spin-notated content for support blogs and for article directory submissions. For money sites and for ezine/hubpages, I don’t suggest you use spun content — not unless you spend a long long time making sure it’s unique and high quality.
I create 3-5 hubs in a niche and interlink them. That’s all I’ve been doing for links. I did choose 5 specific hubs to use AMA and UAW to mass send backlinks to as a test though. I will be sending backlinks to ALL my hubs next week, after I finish writing all the hubs.
Ben
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Thank you VERY MUCH, Ben! I realy appreciate your answer! Yeap, I spend much more time for 500 word article - 1-1,5 hour! I have to force myself to write bad (or worse). You don’t believe me, but I have linguistics background and also had to write some decent quality articles. So now I have to learn just the opposite things!
I would think about AMA, especially when my hubs go up in numbers and ranking.
Thank You again, Ben! And may all your endeavours be successful!
With the best regards,
Denis
P.S. Ops, Ben, how do you usually find content for your hubs (niches) especially if you are not familiar with the subject? (sorry for another question:))
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@Denis I use magic article rewriter http://www.article-rewriter.info/ to spin articles. It has really speeded up the time it takes to spin articles. I agree with Ben - it’s well worth paying out for an article submitter that let’s you spin content. You could also use a free one that lets you post to 30 blogs for each article - http://www.freetrafficsystem.com/
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I have been writing shitty content from the day I started in the MMO-”business”. I am not a native english speaker so shitty grammar comes easy and when it comes to content (or the lack of it) I just write what is on the top of my head. Usually I still need a niche that I know something about. Let’s say furniture. I know what kinds of furniture there are and I have been using a lot of them. That’s enought for me. The next thing to do is that I gather 5-10 related keywords and just start writing. I use the related words once or twice in the article and try to write anything that I can think of.
If I have a good drive to it then four 300-500 word articles is not a problem in an hour.
The sad thing with my make money online experiment is that I have been around for such a short time that I don’t have the traffic yet which would tell me if my content is driving people to click the ads. For hubpages… I am up to 45 or something hubs of 400 words.. Some are a lot longer but they are mainly intended for quality backlinks to my niche sites. 9 Clicks from hubpages with $2.35 and all of that has come within a week. Not much but I definitely know that if I would put more effort in this I would get more money. Why don’t I? Because I am a lazy bastard and it would require me too much keyword research
Maybe I will start doing that research since my niche sites are making me pennies and hubpages is already providing me something. Damn I gotta start writing those hubs again
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You can become a master at any topic. Just go to ezinearticles.com and read a bunch or articles on the topic. You can also go to Goarticles.com or even just finding the top site on google for that search string
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I have found it easy to write on topics that I don’t know from getting ideas from other peoples articles. I don’t mean copying and rewriting their text but rather reading the content and using it to get ideas. You Ben are truly inspiring me in to writing. When I don’t feel like writing I read your blog about how you just wrote 10 hubs and 25 ezines on your lunch hour and I am ready to go back to work on those hubs:)
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reading your posts from many days. I have 45 hubs(but most are good in the sense of content) and i do get 60-70 visitors for all of them, but never had a single click also. may be bad with niche selection. Give me some idea on how to find a high CPC niche.
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aniket, you can send me your hub address and I can take a quick look if you want.
If your 45 hubs are about niche topics with decent CPC and there are relevent ads, you should get an occational click. If you are not, then your niches are probably bad, or you or not using longtails for your niches.
The fundemental thing to remember is that there really needs to be a demand for a person to click on an ad. You can’t make a niche about old rocking chair cradles and expect people are going to click an ad. This is why things like acne/ antiaging are so popular and competative because people actually do click on ads because they are desperate to find as solution.
Also, if you guys are making niches like “acne hair vitamins” or “acne treatments” or “insurance guide”, don’t expect any clicks at all, at least until your hub ranks high for that term and you start to get some traffic. I suggest going after 3/4+ word phrases. I suggest you read Grizzly’s MMOFB blog, specifically his “make money blogging” start series. He gives you some ideas for keyword phrases.
The high CPC niches are insurance/credit cards/medical/travel. Of course those are the most competative. But there are lots of smaller niches that have good CPC (4-8 bucks), but you just need to spend some time exploring.
It’s also good to note that you may not see any hubs peform right away, but in 2 weeks or a month, you might start to generate some clicks. This has started to happen to me. Some of the “duds” (and I have a lot of them), are starting to get a few clicks regularly now. I don’t think you can really “tell” if a niche is a bad or good one until the hubs age for a month or 2 and you start to see how they pan out when you send backlinks to them. If after backlink work and a couple months a hub is not generating clicks, then it’s a dud and use it as a farm hub.
Keep in mind I wrote like 40 hubs and made like 1 buck. At about 75 I had 3 or so bucks after 2 weeks. So don’t feel too bad, you just need to press on. That right there is what seperates the wannabie MMO’ers from people who make it. 90% of the people who get started in this get all excited, spend a lot of time for a few weeks or a month, then when they don’t make any money, the throw up their hands and quite. If you 40 hubs don’t make money, make another 40. If your 80 hubs don’t make money, make another 80. If you 160 hubs don’t make money, make anoterh 150. If you have THAT mentality, you absolutely make money. IF you are unlucky, it might take you a 100 or 200 niches to find some that work. But once you do, you can expand into them.
Ben
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Hey, great post, really well written. You should write more about this.
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Thanks Ben for motivating advice. My hub url is [removed], i know my niches are bad. But still give me suggestion on those.
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aniket. Your niches are not good for adsense. I can pretty confidently say that you won’t make any money with those. You need to think long and hard about what people want and what people will pay for.
These things include: sex, money, relationships, improving looks, travel, etc
I can’t give you a “suggestion” — that’s your job. If you want ideas, you can always troll through ezine articles and see what articles people are writing about. Those are a goldmine for niches if you look hard enough.
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Hi, Ben!
Thanks for the tip! Yes, I try to do the same thing with the content search; just asked whether you have some special tactics.
By the way Ben, have you read the recent Court’s HubPages Week 4 Update?
What do you think of it?
janet
Thank you for links, Janet, I’ll check them. I usually do everything manually but it seems that some automation of the process will be quite useful.
Phillip
Well, Phillip, I’d like to write 300-500 word articles in an hour but it is still difficult for me. Thanks for the sharing.
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HI, Denis.
I think court has done an amazing job with hubs. Court is one of the best marketeers in the world and I have a lot of respect for his philosophy.
But, in this case, I disagree that you should always provide 100% informative content. Court’s other site got slapped around by google a while ago (google basically manually removed his SERP ranking). No one is sure why, but it might have had to do with what he was teaching (content doesn’t matter that much etc), how to make a MFAS, etc. After that his message changed somewhat — and with good reason. If Court starts talking about creating MFAS, he stands a very good chance of getting slapped again by google.
Now, I want to be clear here. Given the choice between having shit content and good content, it should be a no brainer — go with the good content, you are going to cover your ass. What people have said her is true. If you are making a couple bucks a day from adsense, you won’t get a visual. If you are making several hundred a day, you will get a visual at some point.
But, I personally feel that you can write an article that’s not “crap” but doesn’t answer the question. I feel his way because it’s what Grizzly teaches is you read all his blogs and his comments and from my observations that I can command 20-50% CTR for some niches by writing a certain style.
But as I’ve said, it has to be a decision you make. As LONG as you understand that if you write informative articles that answer the questions, your CTR will drop like a rock, then write that way. But I just want people to understand there is a choice here and it’s one that bears some thinking, because it will impact your MMO style.
I would rather write articles that look ok but don’t solve the problem. If you go about doing it right, then you are certainly not writing crap or a MFAS. I’ll post an example soon in my “how to write bad for adsense” post.
Cheers
ben
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I will work on that ben thanks for the advice. One thing i dont have membership with UWA and all those automation sites but i decided i can submit articles on ezine atleast. Submited one today for 2 of my hubs. How much ezine article alone can help me in ranking my hubs? ( I am doing it for my old hubs, when i will get idea of it, i will start creating new hubs with proper keyword research).
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Thanks, Ben,
I appreciate your answer. Yes, it takes time and experience to write in adsense style - making content which looks good but not helpful in a full sense. Yeah, I heard this story of Court’s other site, and his keyword s..ping course, and how it all changed.
As for Grizzy, I have been reading a lot of him and do it as soon as he pushes out some new sweets to taste. But it is a rare thing today; you will find it hard to get him to answer you as he is deeply in his projects. But he was the first who opened my eyes on how the things work. Respects to him.
I will be waiting for your example, Ben.
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What’s a longtail?
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Definitely a lot of food for thought here on Hubpages! Bookmarked this page to digest some of your advice at a later time..
In my personal experience, you don’t necessarily need a lot of hubs to make money if you happen to hit upon one hot keyword phrase that people are searching for that gives high CPC. Im finding that 1 particular hub I created is bringing all the income out of the 15. The other 14 hubs receive barely any clicks, meaning they’re either not displaying relevant ads or not something people click on. Best of luck to you as you keep plugging away with more hubs.
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July 2nd, 2009 at 7:54 am
@MC Yes, out of 400 hubs, I have probably hsbr 10 that get multiple clicks each day. This is why I say make 100-200. As long as you try out different niches, you have a pretty good chance at sniffing out niches that are winners — you then hone in on those. If I could make 30 hubs that were all winners, we’ll, I’d save myself about 3 months of work — unfortunetly, I don’t know those 30 hubs that will be winnes. Care to share
Ben
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Good point Ben, I think it depends on how quickly you find those high-traffic and good moneymaking hubs within a quest to build 100-200…I’ve built a total of 40 hubs now, but got lucky and found some hot topics early on..The downside is I don’t know that they will continue to produce income, should the hot trends die out..
Btw, I also think it’d be cool if there was a link exchange for hubbers like Grizzly set up for blogs, but I’m wondering if that would just increase your competition…
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Ben Sez..
“The high CPC niches are insurance/credit cards/medical/travel. Of course those are the most competative. But there are lots of smaller niches that have good CPC (4-8 bucks), but you just need to spend some time exploring.”
End of Ben Sez..
Abso - freakin - lootley! Emphasis on loot! Sorry for the bad pun, but I am going to be working on one of those high CPC niches that you speak of. There are some longtails and product phrases that can be relatively easy to rank for.
My plan, if it goes well, is to combine both an affiliate program and high paying adsense to the mix. Found a nice “news like” template for a hosted Wordpress blog to give it some class, and to pass - the Google quality test.
And to your point about finding niches that pay 4-8 dollars, that are not in the above mentioned category. At times, I go to Ebay Pulse, or use Google Trends to get an idea for niches that are outside the mainstream of the usual high CPC suspects.
You would be surprised by a few of the niche products I have found that pay 8 - 10 dollars a click that have search volume - and are competitive to rank for. Like you said, you do have to explore and do a lot of research. They are not easy to find.
Great blog BTW, with tons of common sense MMO information.
On hale it up…
Robert C - The Wholesale Guy..
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admin Reply:
July 30th, 2009 at 9:50 am
high CPC is good, but it’s not everything. The higher the CPC, the less trafic you will get, unless you spend a serious amount of time with SEO. You can still score big with lower CPC (1-3 bucks) if you can get your hub ranked on the first page, preferably #5+.
Keep it up
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Wholesale Guy Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Great advice and I will keep the lower CPC in mind. But to your point, I do have one niche that has a ton of long tails that will be relatively easy to rank for in the 1 - 3 spot.
The pages are not “Seo’d” all that well - and while the search volume is not great - the money will be good (some over five dollars) in the aforementioned 1 - 3 spots.
Definitely a HUB page experiment…
Thanks for replying..
Robert C - The Wholesale Products Guy
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