How to Make Money with Hubpages Challenge follow-up.
We’ll it’s been about two weeks since the Hubpage challenge came to the end. I’m sure many of your are quite curious. In short, my hubs are doing pretty damn well. My conclusion so far is that you can make a lot of fucking money with hubpages, if you know what you are doing.
Here are some stats for you to chew on.
-First Hubs published 49 days ago (May 11th)
- Close to 400 Hubs
-Word Count between 400 – 500 words.
- Total Hubpage views: 20k+
- Total Visitors: 13,667
- Total Unique Visitors: 10,900
- Google Search Traffic: 7,631
- Yahoo Search Traffic: 3,348
- 64 (28) AOL visits: 192
- Ezine Article Visitors: 900
-Clicks: 833
- Total Adsense Earnings ~$700
-Adsense earnings this week: $240
The past two weeks have been very good indeed. As you see, there have been huge increases. This week alone, I have made more money from adsense then I did from my entire month during the hubpage challenge. Now it’s easy to tell people I’m making money, but it’s time for a bit of proof. Talk is cheap as they say.
Hubpage Earnings Yesterday
My earnings from hubpages today at 3:30PM
[Edit: today(June 30) was my best hubpage day to date]
You may notice that my claimed Adsense earnings are a bit lower, this is because not all the Adsense earnings are showing up. I think I’m averaging about $40 or so dollars a day that past few days. This week, I’ve noticed a sharp increase. Last week kind of plateaued a bit. I had 2, 40 dollar days, a couple 30ish dollar days, and the rest high 20’s. Looks like aging of the Hubpages and the links I sent them are starting to kick in. My takings in another 2 weeks will be at least $1000 USD from hubpages from a single month.
Yesterday, I almost hit close to $50 dollars a day from my Hubpages – a new record. I am confident I will be clearing in the 50’s consistently, pretty soon. My goal is to generate about 100 bucks a day with hubs. I seem to be well on my way to do so – I think I might be able to reach my mark in a month or two.
Keep in mind that the older the hubs get, the higher your income should rise. I expect if I just sat on my hubs as they are now, they would make much more in say 4 months than they are now. This is also why it’s VITAL that you send links to your hubs. Every sort of link you can find. As the sites that you are using to send you hubs age, the stronger your hubs will get in the SERP’s.
You will also note that I have close to 400 hubs. I’m aiming for 1000 in another month or two. Let me say folk, it’s some seriously hard work I’m putting into the hub project. I know it may look from your end that I’m simply writing a couple articles a day and sitting back on my earnings, but I am putting in 12+ hour days working with hubs, backlinks, infobarrels, etc.
I guess there are two strategies you can take here. Say your goal is 100 bucks a day. You can create 100 hubs and then work on making them produce more and coax more traffic out of them. If you have 100 hubs and are getting 10 bucks, you can do enough SEO to bring in 10 times the traffic. This is certainly possible.
But, you are really going to have to get your hubs ranking the front page for your keywords to bring in 10 times the traffic. If you are going to put this much effort into this (and you are going to have to spend some serious time treating each hub like a niche blog/site in regards to backlink work), I’d say put your articles on free blogger blogs then get those blogs to the front page. Yes, it will take longer, but all the money you earn will be yours. This is why I don’t think it’s worth the effort. You will have to do a lot more work and you lose 40% of your earnings. Better to do more work and wait longer to et 100% of the earnings.
I’m not saying you can’t make vast amounts of coin with something like 40 hubs. If you pick the right niches and are willing to take those 40 hubs and get them ranked in the top 5 of Google over the course of a couple months, then yes, such a thing is possible. But get it in your head that, on average, you won’t see some decent coin until you reach the 100 mark. You want to find niches that seem to work. Most hubs end up as dead ends, but some will end up bringing in consistent coin.
The other way is to create vast numbers of hubs, so many hubs that you can reach 100 bucks a day. And in my estimation, that’s about 1000 hubs. Now, I’m pretty sure I could have 500 hubs make 100 bucks a day with backlink work. But my goal is not to spend vast amounts of time sending backlinks to hubs. If I’m going to put the time in, I want to own the sites.
Now, it’s been 2 weeks since the Hubchallenge, and pretty much NO one else has finished a 100 hubs. So if you don’t think you can muster up the effort to create 1000 hubs, well that’s understandable. You may want to look at working your hubs with backlinks then.
A word of caution: only creating 1000 hubs won’t be enough to get you money. You need to pick niches that people will actually care about, and you need to SEO. I saw some guy on hubpages who had a 1000 hubs posting how little money he made. Folks, don’t be this poor smuck.
The only ad related income I make off HubPages is Adsense and I have yet to have a single month that was over $200.
Man, 1000 hubs and less than 200 bucks a month. I’d sacrifice my first born on an altar of glass or something if I was getting results like this.
I have gone on record over and over again in stating that I don’t write for SEO as I couldn’t give a rotten rodent rectum about compiling repetitive keywords into unreadable dreck copy just to make a buck. I’m a writer, not a huckster.
Your certainly a writer mate — and certainly a poor one as well.
Therefore, the only conclusions I can reach after 1,000 Hubs is:
1) The online writers who claim untold riches from ad income are a bunch of filthy, lying scammers
OR
2) I’m doing something completely wrong in my Hub writing and thus missing out on all this avalanche of ad money.
No, I’d say the reason falls squarely on #2, due to the fact that you have your head buried into sand. Ignore topics that get adsense clicks and don’t bother with SEO and you can spend your time writing for pennies while I get my feet massaged by a couple girls while drinking some Don Perion in a mansion somewhere off the coast of Mexico. I’m sorry, if you want to earn money with adsense you are going to have to write about topics you hate.
Do you THINK I like to write about how to “get larger man boobs” or “Top 10 Medications for Female Yeast Infections”? I’ve got better things to do, trust me. But these boooooring topics that I care less about bring in the $. They say first marry for love, then for money. I say, marry for the money and fuck the love. You can buy it when you’re rich. Get it?
Now, seriously, as funny as I’m trying to be, this poor bloke is really the “everyblogger” of this world. These types craft some wonderful, witty articles, join a community and get a large readership ooing and ahhing about how intelligent a writer they are, and slap adense on their sites, hoping to make money off their wit. The thing is, they stay poor, witty writers. Meanwhile, that illiterate guy from punjubastanmian is writing half literate articles that even a 3rd grader would point out as “crap.” But that same person is raking in thousands a month…
Guys, don’t think I’m hammering on good writers just because of insecurity. I, too, wanted to be a writer. I spent 4 years getting an English degree (didn’t help with my speling though — yes I know I speled wrong 
) with a minor in journalism. I followed this up with a degree in linguistics, among others. So, I know what it’s like to be a writer. I had this dream about being a novelist at some point. It only took being evicted by a couple landlords to realize that wasn’t the path for me. So good writing, at least in niche marketing, is a bad thing.
If you want to entertain people with witty writing, then get a job at the New York Times be REAL writer. Or get a book published. I think the only way you can actually make money while writing about topics you love is if you have an obscene obsession with acne medication or antiaging creams for man boobs or skin care for grannies. Well, you can always do what Grizzly did: create a blog in an ultra competitive niche full of hucksters and give out FREE, real advice that works. Grizzly actually has the perfect setup. He gives real information about an important topic, cooks up some good writing, while making money off the PPC shills promoting MMO crap.
Anyways, where was I? Getting my feet massaged by two virgins. Opps, wrong train of though. Yes, making money with hubs. That’s where I was. You have to put in some work writing to produce at least enough hubs where you can turn in a decent income. Let me reiterate. If you are spending an 30 minutes a day writing on Hubpages, you can forget making any money at all. You need at LEAST 100 hubs to start to see any coin. I’d say for some “tangible income” aim for around 200 hubs.
Having done close to 400 hubs, this is my projection. With about 100 hubs, you will probably see, on average, about 7-10 bucks of revenue. Now, if you are lucky and you get some really high performing hubs, you might see in the 20’s. I highly doubt you will be that lucky though.
I am getting people asking me to look at their hubs and see why there are not able to quite their jobs after 2 weeks of MMO. Well wonders of wonders, when I look at their profiles, there are often less than 20 hubs.
You have to be fucking joking people! If you aren’t making money, it’s because you don’t have enough hubs, period. You can’t make 20,30, or even 50 hubs and think you are going to pull in 40 bucks a day!
And if I see any more “best way to make cookies” or “rocking chair cradles” type hubs, I’m going to stamp those cookies to peices, and burn your rocking chairs. Just kidding! But, you WON’T make a fucking cent with those types of niches.
Look for niches where there is a great need. Health is always a good one, skin care is great (I’ve probably made close to $300 alone with hubs in this niche). The sad fact of the matter is that you can make a lot of money from dying people and people with bad skin. Even more money from people who are dying and have bad skin. Take that hint and see where it leads…
Also, make sure you diversify. I can’t tell you have many different topics I’ve written on – at least 200 different niches. The more different niches you have, the better a position you will be in to find ones that work.
And, after setting up a hub and sending some backlinks to it, expect it to take at least a week, probably two before you see any clicks. Creating hubs is a bit like farming. You toss your seeds around and wait to see what pops up. Some seeds will grow faster than others and some won’t grow at all. But you can’t toss a couple seeds on the ground then complain that you aren’t eating any of the fruit yet. It takes time to see what starts to pop.
I promised I’d write that eBook about creating hubs, but I’ve been so busy with my other challenges. I honestly don’t think I need to write an eBook for you guys. I’ve practically written a book about making money with hubs already on my blog.
I want to emphasize that you should NEVER put all your eggs in one basket. It’s ludicrous to just focus primarily on hubs as your primary revenue source. Parasitic domains are great to use as a supplement income source, but you should focus on having your own domains. Not only do you keep 100% of the income, you are far more secure. What happens if you get banned by Hubpages? What if they fold up? Exactly – which is why you want your own sites.
Deversity is the key when making money online. Use hubpages, infobarrel, squidoo, blogger niche blogs, self hosted wordpress niche sites, etc. The more variety of sites you have, the better a position you will be in (and you learn a lot about making money with different platforms).
It’s also a good idea to diversify your earning streams. This means you should be having Adsense, Amazon, eBay, clickbank, etc as your earning sources. I personally want to start mastering the art of affiliate selling for the next month or two. To that effect, I’m about to start a brand new challenge this week: 100 clickbank snipers sites in 30 days. I’m going to try and get 30-60 bucks a day with about a month of killer work. More on this later.
Now stop reading and get back to work.
Ben Out
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Thanks for an update, Ben. Your results are impressive! I remember you mentioned to make some example hubs to show the article style and hub layout. Will you do that? You’re right you put almost everything here on making money with hubpages (though the ebook would be still good to look at), but many people would like to see some particular steps gathered in one place.
I’m particularly interested in your niche finding. Well, I know the basics, but what strategies and tools do you use to find niches for your hubs and infobarrels?
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You have to solve an urgent embarassing and/or serious problem for people - those are the ones really looking to click on ads from what I’ve seen
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June 30th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
eactly, lissie. You want to target niches with services or products that people NEED or have to get to improve their lives. This is why things like cancer, dating, weight loss, acne, etc always do well.
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I was just comparing my progress with your work back in weeks 1 & 2. I am happy to say that I seem to be on target. Thanks to your words of wisdom, I am up to 74 hubs and have so far earned about $8.
I have only just started adding ezine articles to some of the hubs. Some were written for my own enjoyment, cos some of the money making topics are boring as hell.
So I just need to keep plugging away at it and hope to reach my 100 hub milestone.
Thanks again for your details reports.
one question - your clickbank challenge - is that the same as the squidoo challenge or has this one been abandoned for now?
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June 30th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Hi. yea, I’m going to abandon the squidoo challenge for now. You can use squidoo to promote affiliate products, but I’d rather just use my own domain — since squidoo’s domain spank by google, you dont get much in the way of domain authorty — at least when I’ve been hearing. I’ll pick up the squidoo challenge later, but I think I can make way more money with 100 google clickbank snipers sites.
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Great job, Ben! You definitely inspired me to put the effort into doing all this Hubpages crap.
I’m still working on the Hub challenge thing (not really shooting for a number or anything though, just popping out as many as I can this month). I’ve been making about 8 hubs a day so far, and I’m loving it as now I can target things that I previously wouldn’t touch with a ten-foot pole - Could I interest you in a Polish wife by any chance? Yep, I’m definitely going to hell…
Anyway, keep up the great work - this has been the only make money blog I read since Grizz seems to have abandoned all of his. Can’t wait to see what insane test of stamina you take on next!
- The Real Michael Jackson
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admin Reply:
July 1st, 2009 at 8:29 am
@Polish Wife. Thanks man, glad you like my blog. Being linked at all to Grizz is a high honor indeed! Sure, I’ll take a Polish wife — just don’t tell my girlfriend! I have a few insane projects coming up. Making with money hubpages is good, but it has me really worried. I want to start to expend into different revenue streams asap. You’ll like my next project for sure.
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Thanks for the wake up call. I realised that I was looking for that one magic keyword phrase that had 30 000 searches, high CPC and
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July 1st, 2009 at 8:28 am
@phillip
If you have that keyword phrase, could you share it with me? I’m still looking for it
I looked at your niches. The keyword research seems to be good — you are picking decent paying keywords with mild competition
But, I think the problem is with your niche selection. Case in point (the “bag” one). Yikes what’s with bags (you know what I’m talking about).
So the research seems to be ok, the writing seems to be ok, but frankly, most of the topics will probably suck for adsense clicks. Just remember, just because a niche has a good CPC and is not too competitive, doesn’t mean you will get clicks. I’d focus more on topics that people NEED or are embaressed about etc. Oh yea, and quanity. You have maybe 70 hubs, which is good. Make 200, then you can ask me whey you are not making money. With 200 focused topics in good niches, you WILL make money, probably between 10-20 bucks a day.
Ben
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… zero competition. I forgot that quantity is the answer.
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Ben,
That is great you have hit so much per day with hubpages. How many ezinearticles do you have going to them? If you were to do something similar on a self-hosted site or blogger would you make them more than one page sites? It does seem nice to collect all the money that way but I know with my one adsense site that is making around 7 a day it took 6 months to get the pages higher up in the engines. Do you think blogger will take longer than hubpages in order to rank well? I was an english major so I guess this is natural to write. Your massive action approach has been helpful to me and getting me going more. Will you continue to link to your hubpages with both ezinearticles and infobarrel ? Good point about the cookie and rocking chair sites, I do best with health too.
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July 1st, 2009 at 8:33 am
@deb
I usually send at least one external backlinks — usually ezine. Also try and back them up with infobarrels, if possible.
I’m in the process of looking at all hubs that get clicks and sending many more backlinks to them, starting with the hubs that get the most clicks.
I also use Unique Article Wizard and AMA links as well. Will be throwing in BMD and other links as well soon.
Regarding blogger blogs, I KNOW they will take longer. Google actually seems to have some sort of longer penalty for ranking with them, sometimes. Next couple of months, one of my experiments if to create 100 niche blogger blogs, with 3 posts each, in a month. I want to see how it compares to hubpages exactly.
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Thanks for the great information and inspiration once again Ben. I would comment more but I have more hubs to write.
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July 1st, 2009 at 8:35 am
@ Agrande
That’s the spirit. Less talk more work. I actually find getting involved with the social MMO scene a huge hindrance to getting solid work done, lol. I think the best way is to only spent twice a day looking up new comments, reading forums, etc.
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Ben How are your blogger blogs doing? Mine are doing very badly despite sending all the usual links to them. It seems they need a lot more links than a comparable self hosted site.
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July 1st, 2009 at 8:37 am
@Hi Janet!
All my blogger blogs, I haven’t been checking actually. I still need to add them to stat counter. I’ve only been using bloggers as farms and supports. I need to get statcounter hooked up so I can see what’s going on. A project I want to do soon.
I’m going to be doing 100 blogger blogs in a month as an upcoming experiement, maybe in a month or two, so I can tell you exactly what’s going on.
My experience is that self hosted on your own domain ALWAYS seems to rank faster and higher right now.
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Ben, keep it going! I remember the TKA post grilled you, but you have a very quality site.
Ben, should we just forget about looking for those low PR competition keywords if long-tail traffic is all we’re really going to get anyways? For example, rather than trying to rank for a long tail version of “cancer treatment” and hope that that long tail ranks in the first page to make us money, should we just make up any page, as long as it contains “cancer treatment”, so that we can get random longtails which we’ve never considered?
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July 1st, 2009 at 9:08 am
Yes, Court doesn’t like my write for adsense mentality. But, he’s speaking from someone who got a major slap from google. His views used to be identical to mine. I personally have found a good style that works for me — I don’t advocate writing crap, but you do need to write in a certain manner that leads people to want to click. It’s possible to do so without writing crap. I’m going to create a post about this next week.
Nick, that’s my primary strategy. Don’t get me wrong, I know which niches are good for adsense clicks — 400 hubs have taught me that — and I’m reasonably sure that if I pick a topic and write an article, I will get a click in a couple weeks.
If I was going to tackle the cancer field, here is what I would do.
1. Look at Cancer and pick out a specific type of cancer.
2. Find a high paying longtail for that specific type of cancer that will answer a need. (how to cure X, etc)
3. Look up all related long tails and put them into a lis
4. Write a 400-600 word article only mentioning the main keyword 3 times, and stuffing it full of related longtails
5. build backlinks
You will find, besides the related keywords that google gives you, you will be able to generate longtails on your own.
rinse and repeat, 5-10 times.
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Hey Ben,
What kind of anchor text do you want us to use when linking to your blog here?
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admin Reply:
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:11 am
Haha, “Make Money Online with Seo” is good. Once I dominate that, then It’s time to challenge Grizzly for Make Money Online
Actually, it’s more productive for me to actually make money with other niches sites than to get into a war for MMO. But, i’d like to see how far this blog could go with good content. Will natural links beat serious SEO work? I think not, but I’d like to see what it can do. This is why I’m not spending any time doing backlink work for this site.
Ben
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ben, really inspiring to see your efforts. I am embarking on my efforts to hit 100 hubs too. been a bit slow but have hit 20 hubs now and will another 12 articles just written over the last few sleepy nights…
btw what is your CTR for your hubs? especially for those related to health
Jared
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Thank you for your reply Ben, been working all day on my hubs. Let’s say then that that main longtail is “how to cure breast cancer” with a CPC of $10. Am I right in assuming that we should not even look at the PR competition for this main longtail? However, we should look at the PR competition for the longtails of this main long tail? For example, we should see if “how to cure breast cancer fast” is beatable in terms of PR?
Then again, I think that you’d get a lot of random longtails, which you’ve never even thought about, making looking at the PR in any way shape or form useless.
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Ben is Grizz.right???
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Hey Ben,
Again, thanks for sharing all this valuable info. I’m looking forward to your answer to Nick #19 because I am wondering the same kind of thing. Coming from TKA and trying to follow the instructions I got there, I look for good paying keywords that are ‘beatable’ according to PR (and fall into the whole TKA formula for picking KWs). Using your example of cancer, I’m finding it nearly impossible to find keywords that have good earnings potential AND are beatable. Am I just doing my keyword research wrong, or are you not following such strict guidelines?
In other words, do you not care much about PR and just go for a good paying keyword/high volume keyword to get something up and see what kind of long tails you get from it? If so, do you have some sort of criteria for what you look for in a keyword?
I hope I’m not asking too much or digging to deep; you’ve already given a TON so no worries if you don’t want to divulge too much of your technique. On the other hand, I might as well ask, right? “You’ll never know if you don’t ask!: :o)
Thanks man! Have a good one.
K-Man
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July 2nd, 2009 at 8:01 am
Yea, K-Man. I have a very different strategy than Court. If you are part of the TKA, follow court — he know’s what he’s doing for sure. I just have a different approach. I feel with Court’s approach, you are treating hubs like niche blogs. This is good, over the long run. You can make a lot of money if you are dominating with your hub. But, unless you really find no competition niches, you won’t dominate your niche, not without a good backlink effort on your part. I say, why bother when hubpages keeps 40% of your earnings? I’d rather put in more effort and wait longer to use my own blogs and keep 100%.
Court is all about taking his 100 hubs and getting them all ranked out high to max out traffic. I’d rather have 1000 hubs bringing in the same earnings though — to me, it’s safer and you are less dependent on SERP position than you are with 100 hubs. But, that’s just my opinion. It’s ultimatly up to you — each person will have a different strategy.
I try to look at PR and competition as a guideline. I’ll always choose a niche that I think the hub can rank high in without too much work. But, I have been known to take on “cancer” and get a few clicks. I’m not saying make a bunch of hubs when there are PR 4+’s acrross the front page. But what I’m saying is that if you choose a long tail in that niche, you may be able to still get a few targetted visitors a day — and they may click. But, follow Court’s advice and just stick to niches you can get high.
If you go after niches you have no hope in hell of beating, you may still get some clicks, but you will only ever get trickle traffic — good if you have a lot of hubs. If you go after niches you can dominate, then instead of a couple people a day, you maye see dozens or hundreds…
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Thanks Ben for all your help and info. I have good days when I can push out hubs but bad days when I get nothing done. Yesterday after work I wrote 5 hubs, 5 infobarrels and 5 ezines in less than three hours. Today I have the day off and have written one hub. I have to start kicking myself in the ass to make this happen. I’ll update when I have that 200 hubs
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July 2nd, 2009 at 8:04 am
Hehe, i got 0 done yesterday Phillip. Had to move, no time at all. Sigh. But, going to have to make it up today!
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Ben - enjoyable piece as ever. Your writing is every bit as entertaining as that of the “poor smuck”. the difference between you and him is willingness to look at where things are not working and do something about it, rather than refusing to budge even while asking for help.
Regarding topics to write about, I’ve started the “throw stuff at the wall to see what sticks” method. Stuff you think will work sometimes doesn’t and stuff you think will fail turns out OK. It’s just a question of trial and error. My plan is that once I’ve got my 100 hubs I’ll focus the backlink building on the niches that work, to see if I can get more traffic to them.
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July 2nd, 2009 at 8:07 am
@silver Rose
Yes, throw the mud on the wall and see what sticks. This is what grizzly does with his blogger blogs. It’s what I’m doing with hubs. The bottom line is that you WILL make money online no matter what, if you have enough sites. It’s people who create 1-5 sites then site on them that never make any money. But the guy with 500-1000 sites will make money. NOt only because with that sheer amount of web property clicks/sales will happen, but because by the time that person has created 1000 sites, they know what niches to enter into and what niches won’t work.
MMO is a journey — the more you do, the better you get.
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Iam not a bit impressed with the infobarrel.They are taking too much time for approval.i dont know why !!!
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July 2nd, 2009 at 8:09 am
@sarah — i found them fairly fast when I started. I’d post an article and it would be approved within a couple hours.
Once you get 10 out there and wait a a couple weeks, you get instant approval. I know the whole editorial oversight thing is annoying, but it’s a good thing as that
s why google gives authority to such sites.
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@Sarah
They must be getting a shitload of articles nowadays. When I wrote my first infobarrel, it took half an hour to be published. Now it takes a few days.
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The funny part about choosing a niche is to ofer people what they really need. I’ve realized that hubpages and a perfect choosen niche could give me a CTR of 5% or even more. I’ve got sites where the CTR is barely 1%. If, for example, someone has a rat in his house and wants to get rid of it, he’ll click everything - either if you have good content or bad - you could have good content because he’ll not have the time to read everything, but click in order to find other informations faster.
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I also dont go for Backlinks. Actually i dont know about them too much. Only tried Ezine and Infobarrel. Will go with the quantity.
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admin Reply:
July 3rd, 2009 at 10:10 am
aniket. If you want to make any money online — at least in decent amounts — backlinks are the golden key. I HIGHLY suggest finding out as much as possible about using backlinks effectively. I talk a lot about them on my blog, as do other people I link to.
My goal with hubs is to minimize the amount of backlink work I do. But, I still do spent time on backlinks. Just creating a lot of hubs with no backlinks yeild the best results. You can, at least with hubpages, compensate for less backlink work with sheer quanity — but either way, you are going to spend time, either writing more articles, or getting backlinks
Thanks for stopping by,
Ben
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Ben! Don’t be mocking my “… bag …” hub. I installed analytics a few days ago and it shows that the …bag… hub is in my top five money making hubs
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I’ve followed your progress through hubpages with interest, you’ve done amazingly well with it.
I don’t think you have to have a load of hubs to make some money with adsense. I’m different from you on hubpages - I write there because I enjoy it, not to make the maximum income. I now have 52 hubs, and I’m averaging about £10 a day in income, which seems OK to me (about $16, I think, my adsense is in £).
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July 6th, 2009 at 9:18 am
@LondonGirl
Yes, there are people who do write about topics and can still make some money on it. But I guarentee if you write to make money, you will make FAR more money. The problem with trying to combine writing with topics you actually are interested and making money is that the two ideas are often not compatible. You have to use awkward sounding longtails to bring in targeted traffic — this really ruins the “flow” of writing sometimes. YOu also need to pick out topics that pay well — and these are USUALLY mind numbingly borning.
Yes, I don’t claim you need 200 hubs to make money — you certainly can score it big with 50 hubs. But it’s my experience that you need a lot of hubs to see some tangible earnings. If your lucky and stumble on a niche that makes money right away, then you can make money with less hubs. But, it’s my experience that you have to fumble around. I’ve written enough hubs now that I know what topics will make money and I am 75% write about picking a topic that will start getting clicks in a couple weeks. But, it’s taken 2 months of serious effort to get there. When you just start or you aren’t experienced with niche marketing, you can’t bank on writing 50 hubs to get 15 bucks a day — no way. But it’sgood to see you’ve found some sucess!
Thanks for stopping by!
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Ben - are you still recommending that we pursue keywords that give at least $25 a month with 300-400 searches or has your thinking changed on that? I know you started out like Court and did the $50 and over but then you lowered your standards a bit. Is that still the best strategy for hubs?
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admin Reply:
July 6th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Thai, by now, I go by gut feeling to be honnest. I look at a niche and will make hubs even if there are PR 7’s. Other times, I look at a niche with .08 CPC but decent traffic and make a hub for it. I try to aim for niches that only have PR 2’s and 3’s — I’d rather have a chance of ending up on the front page, but this is not a firm rule.
I would say go with Court’s 50 dollar rule — 50 dollar niches will be much easier to dominate. But, make sure you understand that you hub, at least not for a while, won’t be able to get in the top 5 (usually) for most niches right off the bat. If you want this, you are going to have to treat you hubs like any niche blog…
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Can you take a look at soem of mine then? I’ve got about 50 and I’m doing another 50 this week. My goal is to get to 150-200 by the end of July and then start backlinking
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hey there! nice blog you have here. I found your blog in google while searching for a good blog farm tutorial! My question is related to that post of yours.
In building backlinks for hubpages, do you recommend also using blog farms for them? Also, should we treat each hub as a “money site” as described in your blog farm tutorial, or can they get links directly from the 3rd layer of blogs?
Thank you very much, and good luck!
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July 9th, 2009 at 8:53 am
@little prince
It depends on what you are trying to do. If you are trying to have key hubs send a lot of link juice to your money site, then yes, you could use a farm to link to hubpages. But, I don’t like to have adsense on a layer that’s getting farm links. It’s a better settup to have farms which link to an ezine whichs links to a money hub which then links to a money site.
If you are just trying to mass create hubs as an income source itself, then I don’t feel it’s worth the time to use a farm to prop up a hub — not unless you are sending backlinks to a select few hubs that really rake in the cash.
Ben
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Wow thanks for the quick reply! Okay i get it now. I am planning to do as you did in your 30 day hubpage challenge, and i thought it was really necessary to support everything with a farm.
So if I’m not mistaken, these 200-400+ hubpages will only be supported by links from ezine, squidoo, etc… and also interlinking same niche hubs? Can you suggest a solid link building strategy for this?
Thank you once again! You are now my new MMO idol! hahahaha
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work sucks, i have been doing this since oct of last year on a number of different sites including xomba, infobarrel, hubpages, blogs (hundreds of them) my own sites, ppl programs, affiliate, i literally have thousands of articles on the net and i do not make any money.. i make maybe on avg 60 cents a day with adsense, it has been a huge waste of time and the reason for this is that articles, after time, die out in the search engines and get lost and no matter how many backlinks you get, it doesnt help because it is like swimming upstream against a fast moving current.. working 12 hours a day for (maybe) 40 dollars a day, that is not going to last, just isnt worth it in my opion, but good luck with your efforts
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July 12th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
@venn
With an attitude like that, no wonder you are failing to make any money. Instead of learning from your mistakes, you are giving up. I’m also quite skeptical that with thousands of articles you are making .60 cents a day — that’s statistically unlikely, unless your account is smart priced, you are writing about wrong topics, or/and only getting social traffic. And your conclusion with articles and backlinks is flatly wrong. Websites and articles naturally get higher and stronger rankings as time passes. Now, initially your page may rank high because of the fresh content bonus, but then slips down a few days or weeks later. This can be counter by backlinks.
Why am I bothering to answer this question?
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Ben just wanted to say I effin’ love your blog. We share the same name too, so I guess if I ever want to do a MMO niche blog I’ll have to be sure not to cuss a lot so people don’t confuse us, eh?
Love reading about your experiments and your insane can-do attitude: very inspiring mate.
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Ben - can you email me? I’ve got some hubs to share with you and want your opinion on if I’m being an idiot or not. I’m almost to my 100 hubs in 30 days (Friday is my deadline) and am unsure of my choices/writing.
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Your articles though a little explicit on the words came a ton of advice about how to monetize. I read the comments of the hubber who wrote 1025 hubs and was earning $7.00 daily. He was not too inspiring as I have written over 400 and was looking to get up to 1000. With your insightful advice with virgins at your feet, I was once again inspired to write but to select topics that has more public interest and relevance. Thank you for this most usefuly advice.
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July 17th, 2009 at 10:11 am
@linagoffican
Thanks. Hope it proves useful to you!
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Ok I hope I’m not too late to reply but I love your writing I actrually think you very witty I love in a very witty and dark way about making money from dead people and bad skin..anyway …
please can you answer me why would one rather use hubs than blogs what are the advantages and disadvantages ….I mean writing 1000 articles for hubs I could of had a 1000 pages of artcials for a website or blog on that matter ? I’m very curious and look forard to your answers..
bless
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August 8th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Matty, it comes down to something called domain authority. What happens is that when you have a LOT of content is that google starts to rank you for those keywords and this gives you more trust in googles eyes. Now with a single blog about say “fireworks”, if you have a lot of content about different types of fireworks, over time google will rank your fore the term “fireworks + other keywords”. Anything related to fireworks your site will have trust in google’s eys. With a site like hubpages, there are literally like 500,000 different articles and hundreds of thousands of topics. This means that hubpages has a lot of trust in googles eyes about pretty much every topic.
If you create a hub, you get instantly ranked and start to receive instant traffic. WIth your own articles on your own (new site), you won’t get instant traffic. Basically hubpages is a shorter route to making money. You can make money by creating your own sites, but you are going to have to send backlinks and wait months to get the same results.
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Thanks Ben you are a star really really inspired I have sign up to hubs because if you…just wrote my 6th artcle today follwoing your advice …..
I can’t believe the information and the sheer quality of your help…I pray you make a tons of money from your sites..and please keep up the good work the internet and world needs more quality people like you not those crap scammers!
ps love your pics too
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