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Ok, time for another update. This time, it’s not going to be as long because I’m busy, making lots of money. Edit: Actually, the post turned out to be it’s usual size. Sorry.
Speaking of busy, how busy are you? I’ve noticed, doing my occasional patrols around the MMO world, that there are a lot of “busy” people. But not busy in a good way. There are several kinds of busy – busy making money, and busy bullshitting around. I’m willing to bet, most of you are busy bullshitting around.
What’s bullshitting around? Not fucking working. Bullshitting is checking your Adsense account 999 times an hour, spending the bulk of your time answering fucking social posts that don’t make you any money, fucking around on twitter (the world biggest source of useless traffic and probably in the top 3 competition for the “stupidest way to waste your time” crown), and watching hairy thong midget pron (and that my friends is disgusting way to waste your time…).
Now, I’m serious. I see a lot of people socializing when they should be working. Trust me, I know how mind numbingly boring MMO can be, but if you want to make the money, you need to do work. If you have two hours of work, but you spend an hour checking Adsense and hitting the fresh buttons on MMO forums, responding to comments, etc, you’ve lost 50% of your time.
And time, folks, time is money. There is a certain amount of work you are going to have to do to start seeing money – if you want to do making money online the whitehat way. Let me ask you something. Does answering 50 Joe Blow posts contribute to your money making efforts? No, in fact it’s a liability because it’s costing you your time.
When you work, get stuff done. If you want to play, play hard. If you want to work, work hard. Don’t combine the two. I’m not saying don’t join into community discussions – this is a lonely business and we NEED community to keep sane. But don’t make hanging with the community your main focus. Understand you goal: you are here to make fucking money. Set a goal then once you accomplish that, take a break. Rinse and repeat.
It’s really become my impression that a lot of people in the MMO community think of think MMO is a sort of social club. It is, and it isn’t. We are all united with one purpose: make money online. But a lot of people lose perspective and the community becomes the bulk focus your your “work.” It’s good to have friends guys and it’s nice being “popular” in a forum. But you’re still going to be fucking poor at the end of the day. So do spend time working and not talking.
Ok, Niche Devil.
Niche Devil Experiment Update
Ok, the short of it – Vic is not bullshitting with this software. It’s good, very good – in the right hands. But it’s NOT for beginners. No way in hell. Sure, it’s easy to setup a ND site. It’s not easy keeping Google from fucking banning you and it’s not easy to get your sites indexed. So far, I have about 130 sites up. I’ve bought another 100 domains which I have been trying to get up, but I’ve a few social obligations interfering the past couple days. I’m going to work up to 200, then stop and send digg/BMS links to every ND site. I don’t have every one of my ND sites tracked via stat counter, only the first 20. Of those 20, I’d say 10 are indexed and brining in longtail traffic.
This is good – this trickle traffic is exactly what I’m looking for. If each ND site can bring in 2-6 people a day, over 500 of these will add up to thousands of targeted search traffic each day – and with the 7 day ebay cookie, you are going to get sales, probably a fair amount of them. Even if you dont make sales (HIGHLY unlickly), you still get clicks — hopefully a few hundred a day at least, and these clicks give you money, since ebay multiples them against the qualigy score variable. Right now, 200 clicks for me equals 13 bucks, but I have a shit quality score right now. If I make a sale, those 200 clicks could be 50,80,100 bucks ore more. To be honest, I don’t understand how ebay really tallies their totals — I get a brain freeze trying to understand it.
Now, the problem is that these damn ND things don’t want to get indexed. the default ping option does jack right now in terms of getting your sites indexed.
Right now, Google is at open war with ND sites. I suspect a Google engineer purchased Vic’s software and took a look to see how to track the default template on these things. If you guys want to have a hope in hell of keeping your sites indexed, you better change every template to a unique footprint. Every single one of my next 350 will have a unique footprint to maximize their chance of survival.
Since I only have a handful, I’ve only gotten a few clicks. I think I’ve gotten about 20 ebay affiliate clicks so far. No sales, but this has bumped up my click total and made me about 4 bucks. Not going to retire. But I really need to see what happens with ALL my sites getting indexed and trickle traffic – right now, it’s hard to tell anything.
Word on the street is that if you have buying keywords in the domain/title/headers on a .info site, google flags it for a manual inspection. So better go with generic terms at this point.
I’ve also started a new challenge on the side, last week that’ going amazingly well. Enter
300 Adsense Sniper blogs in 60 Days Challenge
This is going to be my best and biggest challenge yet folks. And the money I’m going to make is going to make my Hubpage or Info Barrel challenge earnings pale.
I’m going to state right now, my aim is to make 200-500 bucks a day with these. And based off what I’m seeing with my experiment, this is very possible. Now, I want to really explore what best works. So challenge will have three parts:
1. 100 Self Hosted Wordpress Blogs (new domains)
2. 100 Self Hosted Wordpress Blogs (preowned domains)
3. 100 Blogger Blogs
I want to see how much better preowned domains perform over new domains – I suspect they will get ranked much faster. The reason is that domain age is a BIG part of google’s search engine ranking formula. By purchasing a preowned domain 3+ years old, you can get a leg up right from the get go. They are a bit more expensive, usually about 10-12 bucks after you buy one, but the advantages should be worth it – I hope.
Blogger blogs. I’m going to step in Grizzly’s shoes for a bit with these blogs. I’ve noticed that blogger blogs rank for shit ( at least initially) compared to self hosted blogs. Now, with good backlinks, they rank fine, but initially, they don’t. I find self hosted blogs pull tickle traffic within a few days or weeks, but I have not had too much luck with blogger blogs getting as much traffic. If I find I can use blogger blogs to make good money, hell, I’ll switch over from self hosted in a flash. Domain fees suck.
I’ve been struggling whether to go all out and detail all my Internet Marketing methods or to start to mask what I do – i.e. leaving out the guts of my strategies. I’ll talk about the general strategies and techniques insofar as I’m able too, but I’m going to mask the gritty details.
The problem is, this blog has become WAY too public for my tastes. I’m getting 1K+ traffic a day (nothing too spectacular, I know, but the blog is only a couple months old). I’m sure Google is probably reading what I’m writing as well. You won’t find any of the big wigs spending time publically talking about their strategies or methods anymore. There is a good reason why folks – they’ve lost a LOT of money because of that, both from Google closing loopholes or people sabotaging networks, etc.
I’ve come to the conclusion that if I publically talk about “how” I make money, I’m going to get people trying to copy my sites, methods, or maybe even closer scrutiny from Google. And folks, remember that Internet Marketing is my “job” but teaching you guys is not. I am not getting paid by any of you to teach, so I’m not going to risk my income to help people for free. My earnings soley come from niche blogging, not from MMO blogging.
The thing is, there are many desperate people here who have been taking what I know and using it against me. I’ve had a huge problem with copiers in the past and frankly, I don’t see how it personally benefits me to give out any more of my strategies, helping lazy people make money off my efforts and ideas.
I love helping people, but, I’ve been losing money because of some people. I’ll still go over some basic strategies and talk about some ideas, etc, but I’m NOT going to get into the nitty gritty – how I pick niches, layout sites, themes I use, my specific linking strategies to rank, tricks to pull in the money faster. That my friends is going to be up to you. But this is as it should be — you need to get out there work hard and TEST things to see what works. You can’t always have things always just handed to you on a plate guys.
I’ve learned the MOST not by reading how to make money (though when you first start, it’s useful) or being taught by anyone (though, if anyone showed me the ropes, it would have to be Grizzly who got me started), but by getting down and dirty creating sites and experiementing ON MY OWN. I can tell you right now that if I spent my time haunting MMO forums posting bullshit all day long, I would not be making the money I am right now.
I’ll still help where I can and answer some questions, but the days about giving away all my strategies to the public are gone.
Don’t worry, I’m not going to go the way of ProBlogger and give out absolute shit wrong information or like other blogs that “talk” about making money but don’t point anyone in any meaningful direction. But I’m going to keep some stuff to myself from now on.
So anyways, back to my 300 blogs in 60 days. I’m pretty damn good with making money with Adsense right now. So these Adsense snipers are the perfect opportunity to capitalize.
My Adsense snipers are the perfect Adsense killing machines. They can hone in on a longtail keyword. With the right sniper layout and the right sort of research, you can rank pretty fast and very high with some tricks. And by combining a made-for-Adsense style writing (but one that also delivers quality and useful information), you create a click-killing niche blog.
Now, the prevailing idea about making money with niche marketing is that you pick a niche with lower competition – competition that you think you can make take on by ranking in the top 5. This is a good strategy – one taught by Court in his Keyword Academy and Grizzly blogs. You can make money like this once you rank. The problem is, it can take months to reach this go. You are looking between 3 months to a year. Don’t get me wrong – this is a valid model of making money, but it’s not the only way. Not by far.
Can you make money faster with niche blogs? Yes, you can. I have. I’ve been creating a handful of these sites the past 5 days (to see the potential) and I’ve been making money right away. I’m earning about 20-30 USD a day with these. Keep in mind this is with a couple. I’m going full force into this method next week (after I get my ND sites done), looking at getting 4-7 Adsense sniper blogs up each day for 2 months.
Note: Now, I need to be clear here, there are some specific reasons why I am making money so fast with the few sniper sites I have. I don’t want anyone to get the idea that you can slap up a couple blogs/sniper sites and next day take home the bacon — in this case, I’ve been able to figure out a way to capitalize right away, but it’s certainly NOT going to be like this every time. And sniper site or not, depending on the niche, you DON’T rank right away. No matter what you do, you are at google’s mercy sometimes. I just want you to know that if you are creative, the “create 5 blogs and get backlinks for 6 months before making a dime” doesn’t have to apply.
Now, my goal is to make 1 buck a day with each blog with Adsense. With 300 blogs, that should equal about 300 bucks a day. And indeed, from my experiments, if you do everything just right, a buck a day is perfectly possible (probably a big big lowball). In fact, with only a handful I’m making 20+ bucks a day. So the potential is there. Obviously since I don’t have a zillion of these sites yet, I can’t make promises, but my initial “research attempt” had been very profitable indeed. I’ll talk more about these and give income updates (maybe a few income proof pictures).
Click Bank Snipers Update
On hold right now. I can make money with these, but right now, I see faster ways to make money. I’m going back to this one, and going to pick better niches and put up 100 sites, but I’m going to pump my Adsense earnings (on my own sites) first, then make a concerted effort. I’ve learned a lot from these, and I’m still actually throwing up a few here and there when I see an affiliate opportunity. But my next 100 is going to have to wait a few months, maybe sooner. I will let you know if one of my twenty sites actually makes a sale though. They should, in time.
Upcoming/Current Make Money Experiments
Here is a look at some of my upcoming make money online experiments
August/June
*300 Blogs in 60 Days (started, but going to official start as soon as ND are done, maybe Monday)
*500-1000 Niche Devil Sites (current)
August/September
*500 Ebay Hubs/Squidoo
I will be creating hubs targeted for only selling amazon/ebay affiliate products. I’ve seen some success with 30 or so hubs hawking some ebay products, but I feel there is money to be made with hundreds of these out there, all targeting hot products.
September+
*Create an Authority Blog or 3.
I’m Really looking forward to this. I’m going to dominate 3 competitive niches with a massive 300-500 focused article authority site in each. I’m going to pull out every SEO trick in the book to get these things ranked. My aim is to build 5k-10k a month authority sites here
Don’t Waste Your Time in Noob Forums
Sometimes I get people emailing me or asking me questions about why Ron Jeremy from the warrior triple XXXO factor said this and why I said this, etc. Guys, Ron Jeremy from warriorforms can go sell midget thongs for all I care. Most of these guys are complete bullshiters. The ONLY money they make are from you giving them your coin for their bullshit how to make money ebooks.
I NEVER go to warriorforums or any of those headless chicken noobfest forums. Why? Because it’s a waste of my time. Why do I want a guy making 50 bucks a month answering my question like he’s some sort of guru, when I’m making 100x what he is? Exactly. And don’t get me started on all the bullshit GURU’s giving advice there, preying on the noobs looking for easy money. Places like that are simply virtual stages were fake gurus put on some smarmy performance to reel in the noobs.
The problem is, most people out there want a quick fix. What do you thing sells better as a title:
‘How to Make 30k in 3 Days While Getting a Massage from Pretty Thai Girls”
or
“How to Make Money By Locking Yourself into Your Room and Working 20 hours a day for 6 months”
Yea, I don’t think that’ one needs an answer. The problem is, the second title has more truth — a LOT more truth. Repeat this one after me guys: “there is no way to make money online without work.” Any sort of program that offers this, is a lie. There are people always looking for the next “thing” the next “WSO” that will guarantee you make money fast. If you are onto your WSO #5 and you still haven’t made money, maybe you better bash your head into a few walls to knock some sense into your head.
The Key to Making Money Online: Commitment
You may wonder why I’m making money right now with whatever I do. It’s because I have passion. I don’t take up a project and go half way – I commit my soul to it. If someone wants does 10 sites, I do 100. If someone does 100, I make 1000. That is how to make money folks. I work 10 times harder than anyone else. And you know what, during this process, I learn a lot of things — things that help me make money.
I see a lot of you newbie Internet Marketers get caught up with following the latest money making craze. Guys, this is a huge mistake. You see someone who knows exactly what to do to make money make a lot of money in a short period of time and you decide because they are making money, well you are going to as well. That’s fine, but you chase after the latest craze every damn month or week.
The reason why is that you don’t commit to something. You create a handful of blogs, maybe 50 Hubpages, a couple infobarrels, and wonder why you’ve only made a couple bucks in a week. Even worse, you see someone else making money with some other strategy so you abandon your previous attempt to try something new.
This yo-yoing around is the perfect way how NOT to make money online guys. You want to make money, here’s the formula I follow:
1. Pick a proven methods (people you trust make money wit it)
2. Put your heart and soul into it
3. Work like someone has a gun pointed to your head
There we go. Simple, isn’t it. Most of you end up failing on all three points. You pick a method, but you don’t’ commit. Big surprise why you then make fuck all. Or you pick a strategy, get all excited, start working for a few days/weeks but when you see the monstrous size of the work ahead, you give up. Or maybe you do start working on it but you don’t actually “work.” You spend most of your time chatting with other newbies about how to make money online or the best methods, or participate in conversations with no fucking idea what the fuck you are talking about.
It’s fun to talk about MMO with people – I get that, I’m guilty of that. This is a business where connections are key – befriend people left and right, they will help you in the future. But seriously people, it’s fucking pointless talking about making money online. Talk is cheap guys, it’s actions that speak. Instead of spending your life whining online about how you are not making money online, or discussing MMO strategies, maybe you should actually spend that time trying to MAKE MONEY ONLINE. Get it?
If you are not spending 95% of your “work time” writing content, creating sites, doing keyword research, or getting backlinks, then there is something fucking wrong with your work schedule. Fix it and you may find, magically, you fix that big fat 0 in your daily Adsense balance. Just a suggestion.
You will find that once you start to make money, it all just makes sense. It seems impossible at first, a dollar here, a dollar there, 5 dollars here, and 10 dollars there, but before you know it, the money is following. You make nothing at first and often for months and month, but once the trickle of money begins, it really flood in.
You see, making money is about confidence. Confidence comes from a history of success. Once you KNOW you are making money – not Grizzly making money, not Ben making money, not Jim making money, but YOU making money – you gain confidence. YOu can approach an internet marketing project knowing that you can make money – even if you don’t make money right away. So work your ass off and you’ll see those results. Those results will give you confidence.
If anyone has time to help a great grandmother out, be sure to visit Gourmet Recipe Blog. Grizzly, on his Make Money blog asked it anyone could give an old gal some technical advice about blogging and niche marketing. The issue might be resolved already, but hey, visit her site and you might find out how to make some nice, yummy cookies — the perfect companion for when your doing boring MMO stuff.
Now Go Make Money Online
Ben
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Helluva good post Ben (nothin new though). I really don’t have any words for ya: You know you’re on the right track and it’s just really enjoyable for me to read what you have to say each week.
Glad to hear your snipers are doing well, hopefully those ND sites start making $ for ya!
I’m building up a pretty major authority site right now and some snipers as well. It’s just a matter of doing the work… You already know what’s up. Thanks again Ben.
P.S. Great picture selection for this one!
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admin Reply:
August 11th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Thanks Drew! Good idea on the authority site. I got a few planned out myself. In a couple months, I’m going to hand some writers a few thousand articles haha.
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Guilty as charged of hitting the refresh button a lot, always looking forward to your next post. They never disappoint, and this one lives up to expectations. And each new photo blows me away too.
I’m really not trying to kiss-up to you. I just feel that when someone does something exceptional, the least I can do is take a moment to publicly recognize, acknowledge and thank you for it. Your contributions and inspiration are exceptional. I would love to get all the details, but will gladly take what you are willing to offer (which is a LOT).
thank you Ben. Keep ‘er going!
K-Man
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admin Reply:
August 11th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
thanks K man. I’m not going to hold everything back for sure, I just won’t go into “exact” detail about some of the projects.
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Hey Ben, I’d love some info on how you get your adsense sniper sites indexed and ranked so quickly. I follow the keyword academy approach, and while it is working great, it’d be awesome if I could change my approach to work more like yours. Will you put out an eBook or product that we can buy to learn from?
Thanks for the awesome and inspirational posts. I look forward to them every week.
Brian
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admin Reply:
August 11th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
man, I really hate to pump out ebooks. I feel ike a dirty Warrior Guru doing that WSO shit. Frankly, I don’t feel qualified to be putting any ebooks out there anyways. If I was say making 10-20k or something, yea maybe I could back it up. But i’m only making half that right now. Maybe in a few months, I’ll qualify
I had one of court’s students offering to help write me an ebook about hubs, but he dissapeared so it’s a no go. I *may* put something out there in the future, but ONLY if i find it works. I don’t want to write a book that doesn’t give anything that actually works.
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Ben,
Great post and I think you meant to say useless and not useful about twitter. I don’t want you to sing their praises if you didn’t mean to. I know you aren’t going into details anymore of your approach, but if you thought you could speak generally about this, I’d like to know how if you use longtails with very low competition you don’t get very low paying clicks. I find with 4 word phrases that the clicks are very low paying or is that not a problem with volume. Thanks. Great points about time wasters. Definitely see some of my strategies listed.
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admin Reply:
August 11th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Thanks Deb, fixed. Long tails will still get you high clicks — it depends on the CPC of the longtail AND the CPC of the base. For example, if you target “how to cure cancer with a fork and knife”, the ads shown will be about cancer. And cancer may have a high CPC, so if that person who finds yout site wit the longtail clicks, you’ll get the Root word’s CPC.
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Hey Ben,
Another inspiring post.
If you are going to target Amazon with Hubpages then target actual product names, not stupid long tail phrases that ‘might’ create a sale. (But I’m sure you already know this). I’m actually pretty good at mmo with Amazon (and I suck with Adsense - but I am getting better).
Haven’t tried it with eBay yet, but plan to next month.
Good to hear about the adsense snipers - that’s on my to do list in the future. Already got my workload filled up this month so plan on starting them soon.
Wow 1000k traffic per day - you are getting popular.
So glad I’m not popular yet, I like being anonymous
Much safer.
Anyway, keep up the good work.
Tracey
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admin Reply:
August 11th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Thanks for the tip. Yea, I’ve notice product names do far better. People have their credit card in their hand. Ebay is fairly easy to make money. Once people click, they often find something (else) to buy. Or if not, they have that 7 day cookie installed and may buy something later.
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But now I am so tired with reading all the stuff you are doing I need a good lie down! Then maybe I will check to see who’s put a new blog post … then I will answer some dumb questions - gee wonder where I will find those LOL!
But I’m bored! Hey it could be worse I could be bored and working for someone else!
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admin Reply:
August 11th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
It’s much better to be bored on your own time!
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Ben, dunno if it’s intentional but you misspelled the anchor text on your grandmother’s blog =P.
ANywayyy nice post =) thanks for sharing. And yeah I’ve come to the conclusion you ahave to stick with something, but ben you gotta practice what you preach =D.
You pick more things to work with then the amount of shoes I buy a month!on
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admin Reply:
August 11th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Hehe, I do. I just keep on adding things to my plate at the same time
My terrible spelling is really intentional. It’s my secret method of ensuring all my content is super unique. Or so I tell myself!
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Hands down, the best MMO blog post I’ve read…EVER….EVER!!
Go hard or go home!
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Is there a “glass ceiling” to the number of sites you should monetize with one adsense account? Is it possible to put your adsense id on too many sites and get in trouble with google? Thanks for your hard work Ben!
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admin Reply:
August 11th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Greg, It’s probably a VERY good idea to put that ceiling at 100 bucks an account. At this point, I’m aiming to tie 200 bucks to an account, but I’d feel much safer with 100 bucks. In the future, I’ll aim for 100 an account and with no linking between sites on each account. I would be craping my pants if I had say 1k a day tied to a single account.
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Scarlett Reply:
August 11th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Hey Ben! Just to clarify, do you mean that you would aim at $100/day per account? I know that you can set up accounts under business entities or (technically) use friends/family to set up accounts, but is there a legitimate way to have more than one account in your own name without raising red flags or causing issues with AdSense?
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Oh my goodness!
The man says do not waste time reading and commenting on blogs, then he writes a blinder that you just have to read to the end and you are then compelled to leave a comment!! Danm you young man!!
Thanks for sharing all your info. It really is difficult to try and keep on track with one way of making money when there are so many other streams that sound exciting and challenging. However, I will abide by your suggestion and I will complete my 100 info barrels before I move on to setting myself the next challenge.
One question - your adsense sniper sites - how many pages do you post? 3-5 per site? That is the idea that I was going with. Is this enough to rank high enough to make a little money?
Many thanks.
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admin Reply:
August 11th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
You know what they say “Do what I say, not what I do”
Adsense snipers, you want 3-5 posts. More content is always better, but you can do fine with just 3. You don’t need to rank high to make money, as long as you get some trickle traffic — those may click. But yes, ranking high is the best way to ensure you get the most money possible. But you certainly don’t need to be in the top 5 to make money.
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Guess what? Once you start making good money you don’t care whether sites get indexed or in Google right away because IT DOESN”T MATTER. Why doesn’t it matter? Because you are already making money elswhere.
When I start a new site know I don’t give a shit whether it makes money for 6 months and in fact I expect it NOT to. If is does, then that’s great. Why don’t I care? Because I am making great money with all my other sites so I have the time to wait for things to happen.
This is a marathon not a sprint. You’ve seen that before but newbies want things to happen right away. They won’t and that is why 99% of them quit. I made next to nothing for 7 to 8 months when I first started. But 2 years later I’m glad I stuck with it.
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Great post! A good way to start the day… And head off to my day job:D I will be building a lot of Nd sites with amazon and chitika since I DID NOT get approved for EPN. That’s a big loss im my part but maybe in the future I try again. Maybe with my girlfriends name. Keep up the work and I think you are closer to making 30k than you think.
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Hey ben nice post. I am still with Hubpages. But after building 70 hubs(50 are bad niches) i am seeing rise in traffic atleast(Yesterday i touched 140 hub views in 24 hrs). I am quite happy with, but not satisfied. I will not stop untill i get 500+ visitors per day and then i will see how i can provide back links(Ezine is bad for me my grammer make them keep me out:().
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Ben, everything you’ve written has been SO spot on and forthright - I can’t thank you enough. Negative thinking, paranoia, over-analyzation, and anything that diverts your attention away from doing the work is ultimately what leads to failure. If people on “certainly MMO forums” would realize that, those respective communities would turn into ghost towns, but they’d be populated with members who were actually making money and finding success.
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Hey Ben,
Great post. I was going to post in regards to my clickbank sniper blogs a couple posts back but didn’t want to rock the boat. After all, my experience with them may be different from yours. If you want to hear how I faired with them, shoot me an email and we can chat.
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admin Reply:
August 11th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Sure thing, sent you that mail. I’d love to hear from people making good with Clickbank — I personally know more than a few people raking it in with Clickbank snipers. I was just getting warmed up with my experiment but a few other opportunities came by. I’ve got to go back and master these things though.
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With the “snapper” blogs, are you then making even more as support or farmer john blogs to link to them?
If so, or with the schema outlined in “blag fram” post, how do you pick names for all those many sites/blags linking to the $ sights? Say you have 5 supporters and 25 sub-supporters, for one of those, do their URLs have to be kw related or just any old name URL, with the kw in Titles being enough?
(any misspellings deliberate)
BTW - great photos, they even show up well on my aged computer I hope lasts until new one with Windows 7.
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admin Reply:
August 11th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
snipers will be backed up with farm links, yes. As for titles, I like to mix it with a portion having the exact keyword (or as close as possible), and another portion taking related keywords, and still others with different keywords in the same niche.
For example…if you want to target “how to cure acne” with a sniper site, and you want to build up some authority for related terms, a great way is to build a farm network around related keywords. So blog A would be “how to cure acne with cream” another one would be “how to cure pimples”, another one might be “get rid of acne” and another one might be “best pimple cream treatments”. In time, those farm blogs will gain some authority for those terms. Then you creat posts on your main sniper blog with the exact keywords that your farm blogs target, and link the farm blogs to the those sniper posts. Bingo, authority for all those terms is transferred.
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You’re definitely right about being the ‘bad’ kind of busy. Fortunately I’ve already started to get off Twitter
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Ben, that picture is so crisp and colorful it almost looks fake. It’s hard to imagine such a sight. You could build a great Asian travel site with those pics (although I’m not sure if there is a market)
In many ways I am happy you aren’t sharing all your details as it leads to too many copycats, but I’d love to know your Adsense Sniper strategy. Darn. But still love all the info you do provide here for free - thanks!
One question though on your comment about trickle traffic - do you put adsense on these site immediately even with just a few visitors. I am assuming by your comment that you do, and yet, I have held back on sites where I have trickle traffic worrying about the dreaded “smart-pricing” and whatever other junk people advise. Maybe I should reconsider?
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Phillip Reply:
August 12th, 2009 at 3:46 am
If I remember correctly Griz (could be someone else) advices not to put Adsense on too soon since it might trigger MFAS-flags. I have been waiting at least a month to put it on.
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admin Reply:
August 12th, 2009 at 8:07 am
Carrie — Grizz or Court are better experts on Adsense smart pricing then I, so keep that in mind, as I’ve never been smart priced. Some people feel you should wait — I used to. If you are really playing it safe, sure — there are some theories that google may use whether or not adsense is included on a site in the rankings — at least maybe initially. I guess the theory is that if you have adsense on the site, the information is “commercial” and thus less pure. But I have no evidence of this.
Smart pricing occurs when you get a lot of clicks and no conversions. This happens you get a lot of untargeted traffic. If you have a redwidget site, but you are getting bluedonkey visitors coming and they end up clicking on ads, that’s when you are in danger of being smartpriced. Bluedonkey widgets are not interested in buying any redwidgets.
If you get targeted trickle traffic, you are in no danger. If people come and don’t click, you won’t get smartpriced (but check this with court or read what Grizzly has to say– I’m pretty sure this is right). If people come, click but don’t convert, you are in danger.
As long as you make a focused site — you stand a pretty good chance of getting “good” clicks. The one thing you may worry about is being considered a MFA site, but guys like Court throw it up right a way, so it seems you can get away with it. I am.
I have one site that gets about 1000-1100 uniques a day. I have a .01-.05 CTR. This means for every 1000 people, I get 1-5 clicks — terrible. Even more the clicks are usually either .1 or .25 cents. However, my CTR is sky high on every other site and I’ve seen 8 buck clicks before. I’m clearly not smart priced. So, my one bad CTR site lends me to believe that traffic and low CTR don’t lead to smart pricing — it’s traffic, low CTR, and low conversion for the publishers. Having said that, I’m thining about removing the adsense to see if my other clicks on other sites go up. I belived there are 3 levels
1. top CPC paid to publishers who have high CTR and high conversions
2. regular CPC
3. smart price
Ben
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Carrie Reply:
August 12th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Thanks Ben. Your right, smart-pricing is more about the quality of the clickers than the amount. There just seems to be alot of people who advise not putting adsense on when traffic is low, but I’m not sure whether that is a big concern or not.
Maybe I’ll look at how targeted my traffic is for a given site (based on keywords) and make the call from that, at least for sites that are a month or two old.
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Joshua Reply:
August 13th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
There is no possible way Google is going to know whether your click converted for someone else. Just no way.
CTR could be an issue, but in most people’s situation, I find it to be the location of the traffic… Chinese traffic? Misclick’s (someone who has a website which is misleading… and the clicks are pressing back immediately.)
Unless the merchant is using the Google Affiliate Program (yep, they have one) there is NO way Google would now.
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admin Reply:
August 13th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
hmm, i’ve thought about this issue.
You know, before I would have said it’s based only on low CTR, but my own site breaks that notion apart. My one site probably has the world’s worst conversion with like 1-2 clicks per 1100 unique visitors. No smart pricing. And for a while, this was my ONLY adsense revenue. There is something else to the smartpricing equation besides low CTR. Maybe they add in where the visitors come from or something. It’s true that google can’t know how people convert — but, they must be using some metric to at guesstimate.
The bottom line: as long as you are getting targeted traffic, you won’t be smart priced. I could see the situation where you make a site about red widgets, but you fuck up the onpage SEO so that the ads target green donkeys — in this case, smart price could happen. You would have low CTR — but some other variable is thrown in there as well.
DeMerchant Reply:
August 15th, 2009 at 6:03 am
Google offers adwords conversion tracking
http://adwords.google.com/support/aw/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6720
No doubt, the only way to MMO is working like madman. You know what, I read not more than 5 blogs among Grizz’s friends and yours in one of them. Like you said before, other MMO sites is too much bullshits and bullshiters.
BTW, if you want give us an example, just take something absolutely not related to your niche and that should be just fine like “hairy thong midget”? LOL.
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Yes, I completed 40 hubs. $5 in ten 12 days. I am going to finish atleast 150 this months end. most of hubs not performing. i am going to increase word length from 500 to 800 now, let see next month what result i get.
I have one question.
my blogspot blog made me $6 yesterday. Now performing good. i spend 50-100 hours promoting it. last few months. and making backlinks.
How you will make niche blog on blogspot….means how many post you will put in niche blog? and how many backlinks in your strategy. I am asking for blogspot specific.
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i’m working my way towards 1000 infobarrels. Could this ever be a problem with my adsense payments?
and what if i decided i wanted to have 2000 infobarrels and was earning more thatn $100 a day with my adsense account? would i get in trouble with g or not? should i set up multiple adsense accounts?
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admin Reply:
August 12th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Paul, 1000, that’s a noble goal. but just remember, you are going to need to backlink, probably at least an ezine/hubpage/goarticle per each infobarrel to make it effective. I am making a bit of money with infobarell without backlinks, yes, but now that there a zillion other article out there with infobarrel, you are going to need links to stay ahead of the pack in rankings.
100 per account should be fine, maybe even 200. I’d feel safer with 100 per adsense acount though. Keep in mind you are going to either have to signup with family for another account or go all out and create a business/corporate entity for another account. I’m in canada, so I don’t know the us process.
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Woah, as others have said you are inspirational to make us motivated and I am in love with your pictures! If people keep plugging away, they’re surely bound to get somewhere
Now, I’ve created 15 Hubs, 7 IB’s and 7 Ezines today, and I am incredibly shattered (as well as having to do bloody French Coursework in preparation for school, why did I bother choosing a foreign language ;]) =D I’ve got around 120-125 Hubs fully backlinked now, and am aiming for 200 fully backlinked by next Wednesday before I’m off on holiday to Paris + EuroDisney =D
I have one last question for you!
When did KW research for IB’s and Hubs, how did you keep coming up with new ideas? Nearly all of mine are Health orientated in some way, but I feel like I’m running out of steam to be finding niches.
It sounds a little pathetic as the list goes on neverending of course, but are there any tips that you have in this area?
Thanks for the help! Time to try and find some words for tomorrows work XD
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Ben, that post cut deep, but you are so right. I work fulltime, and have a missus that wants some of my time too, so I really need to quit screwing around. My goal is $450 per month by the end of this year and $3K a month by the end of next year. I am going to limit myself to this blog and The Keyword academy.
For now its am hubpages and ND sites only. I made my own template for ND and then renamed the variables like Vic recommends, all are indexed, usually in about 3 days (most on .info domains), no issues yet - about 15-20 clicks a day but NO sales.
Adsense sniper sites sound like the bomb, I am sorry some lazy slops are screwing it up. If you ever open up a member site I’m all in! Maybe you could send me an email and we could chat.
Now its time for me to quit making forum posts and get back to work!
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admin Reply:
August 12th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Yea, I’m not going to really “hide” my sniper site idea — it’s quite similar to what C$M teach actually with some variations and keyword research differences. If I find 100-300 of these pay off, I’ll write a post detailing the process for you guys. ND sites seem like they can work. I REALLY need to get my 500 done asap — i’ve been distracted with this sniper thing, but I need to push on through with ND to the bitter end, lol.
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Oh yeah, humanrewriter has the following on their site
“Due to extreme delays we have shut down new submissions for the next 2 days (We will reopen at 11:59pm on Thursday August 13th). ”
Is this your doing??
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admin Reply:
August 12th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Haha, it wasn’t me I swear. I actually went to use their services yesterday and go that message — lol.
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Phillip Reply:
August 12th, 2009 at 11:34 am
LOL. I managed to get a few articles in just before this one. I think that HR was a small business before you found it ( and mentioned it here ) - now those guys are probably going to be millionaires, with a shitload of work involved
Thank god I never got bothered with that twitter bullshit; now I don’t need to worry about spending too much time socializing. I am following three blogs and there are three too many, but you will miss on some great deals if you keep to yourself (especially that stuff that Griz has been offering on his blog lately, that is da shit - ND, BLS… Geesh what’s next).
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admin Reply:
August 12th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Phillip — be careful with Grizzly’s blog now, in regards to the sales pitches. It’s not the same as it was.
Grizz is pimping it for Search Engine traffic — and there is nothing wrong with that of course, the man has spent 3 years working hard and teaching people with great info. But keep in mind that Grizz is now trying to make money with (usually crappy) affiliate products from the search engines.
His “real” readers will have to put on their bullshit filters from now on. YOu can check out Splork’s blog for Grizzly’s own comments on this as well.
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Phillip Reply:
August 12th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Yeah I noticed that comment a while ago. Although I don’t think that BLS was about bullshit and I always knew that ND is a long shot - will only work if you know a little of what you are doing. Too bad there are a shitload of users who jumped on it and are probably never going to make anything with it. These are the guys you see on the ND forums asking questions like “what is a hosting account?” and starting multiple threads on the subject. Too bad Vic and the guys are ‘obligated’ to provide support to every one who had $97 at the time
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The bear has always said himself that he will take the opportunity to make a shitload of money even floggin crap, but for someone who is eager to read the whole post and the comments, and maybe even ask him personally, he will tell the truth. Always keep the crap filter on when reading an mmo-blog… Or as I have come to learn - everything. If you guys are pumping thousands of articles a day with minimal research, you can’t really trust any site right off the bat. I am kinda expecting that he will be flogging “make money in fifteen minutes” - crap from clickbank in the following posts.
Phillip Reply:
August 12th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
… and btw.. I am getting those ‘cheap’ .infos indexed.. don’t know why
Thanks for breaking your foot off in my anus. Your work ethic freakin’ inspires me to no end. Back to work for me.
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Amazing blog post, Ben. You are a serious, serious inspiration - every post I read from you puts me in a serious production mood - I crank out word count reading you and listenin’ to music - the ultimate MMO combo
Get quiet on certain things if you need to - I wouldn’t tell another business owner not to keep certain things proprietary. If you want open, join a hippy commune LOL
I’m off to catch some word count - but you… wow. are amazing.
Had to say it.
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Ben,
Sorry to hear about your problems. It took a lot less time than it did with Vic and Grizz for some low lifes to ruin a good IM source but that is what it is.
You have helped me immensely and I appreciate that. I hope some day to be able to pay the favor back.
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Ben,
Can you say what “it’s quite similar to what C$M teach” that stands for? Also, I know you said that the root word cancer is there when there is a longtail keyword on it so the clicks can be good, but there are in many niches 4-5 words where people pay only a few cents a click and that’s why they choose that over a 2 word phrase. I was wondering about that part.
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admin Reply:
August 12th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
deb, the basics of and SEO niche site is the same anywhere — C$M teach the same thing as grizzly, except using word press. My snipers are a combination of keyword reasearch, writing, theme, onpage SEO, and layout. I’m having good sucess because of some tricks. But the real question occures when I start to throw them out in bulk. I can tell you in 2-3 weeks when I have 100, how they are doing. Right now, other than my experimental sites, it’s too early to make any concrete conslusions. But, I suspect, based on what I’ve observed in the past, the sniper sites will work out great. But, i can’t make any promises yet.
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Deb Reply:
August 12th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Ben,
Thanks for your reply. I never heard of C$M do you have an affil link or website link? Just didn’t know what it referred to.
I’m doing well with a few adsense blogs but they have over 30 pages each and it took a while. I did a bunch of articles and links to them. I haven’t tried smaller sites but my experience has been that it still takes a few months to get the clicks- unless it’s very low competition pages. That is great you are getting clicks so fast. I use ezinearticles or web 2.0 for faster page 1 listings as I don’t seem to get in page 1 quickly with something new unless it is very low competition.
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admin Reply:
August 12th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
I’m never one to turn down an affiliate click offer, lol. click on the Link on the right hand side titled “the keyword academy”. That’s Court’s Internet Marketing school and for a buck you can sign up and learn there method. It’s slightly different than what I do, but the basics are there and it’s a proven way to make a niche blog and do keyword research.
Haha, great post. I love how you chastise us for not working hard enough as we spend so much time reading your posts. Why do you have to have such an enjoyable writing style?
I do have a question though. When you say you set up a “sniper blog,” does that mean you set up a blog with your 5 posts and fully equipped with backlinks, ready to move on to the next blog? Or do you work on those backlinks over time? I’m just wondering if it raises red flags to put up a site with content and lots of backlinks so quickly. Though I’m sure you have a very intricate system to get around this.
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admin Reply:
August 12th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Anthony, I set them up right away, 3-5 posts and a few backlinks. As time progresses, I add more backlinks. As you suggest, too many is not a good thing. Putting up content on a site and a few solid backlinks is fine. It’s just that if you setup a new site, then do 10 runs of Unique Article Wizard, a BMD run, and 30 blog exchanges, you are asking for trouble.
It also depends on the niche. If you say try to get ranked for “acne” or “credit cards” or gods forbid, viagra, you can bet there is going to be a delay in ranking. You would also need to play it careful and not throw too many links right away. But for some unknown niche, there is a lot more leeway.
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sundait Reply:
August 12th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Sorry Ben, but how many backlinks you preferred initially for this sniper blog? And you did deep backlink too? I was thinking backlinks less than hundred numbers in one shot for new single blog with moderate to low competition niche shouldn’t raises the red flag.
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Understandable how you want to keep you hard earned secrets to yourself. I just have a question about statistics. How do you know which site is getting you clicks? It says I got some clicks off of my articles, but I want to know which ones those were so I can make them stronger. Is there a way to look up specifically which article it was?
example: Article A (0 clicks0 Article B (4 clicks) Article C (2 clicks) etc.
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admin Reply:
August 12th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
go to google adsense and add URL channels. Each URL channel will be the address of the article you want to track. You have 200 channels so you can potentially track 200 articles. Another way (a better way), is to link Google analytics with your adsense account. You need to make sure you are linking to your hubpage account as the defult one. You can then see all the artices on your hubpages account and see which ones got clicks, etc.
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A Reply:
August 18th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
I did as you suggested and I am getting a couple clicks here and there. The problem is I still can’t find out what articles are getting clicks. They are either my Hubpages or a couple of my Info Barrels. I can see how many views I have on each article, but under $ Index all of them say 0. Is it possible it is an internal error?
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admin Reply:
August 18th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
you need to either add URL channels for your hubs or link your adsense account to your hubpage account (and the hubpage must be the account linked to — i.e. the primarly linked account). The best way is to just link adsense and hubpages though, then under Content, you can see what hubs get clicks. If you get a click, it should show up. If not, your account is not linked or something is wrong.
Another great post and a superb picture Ben.
Can you please drop me an email as I have an idea for you.
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admin Reply:
August 14th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Sure grace, I’ll pop you a mail. I really should put a contact page up, but then I’ll be flooded with nonstop questions and offers.
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Yet another great post Ben which hits home on many points…I consider myself focused and a hard worker, but fall prey to things like IM’s, email and other silly sites, once I get bored writing about certain topics..guess you need something to kill the monotony at times!
Any plans to do a hairy midget thong porn site with Niche Devil? Not sure what the ebay market’s like on those, but I’m sure you’d rank #1
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admin Reply:
August 14th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
hehe, if it only had searches…
I have to say, i really detest making ND sites. I’m only at about 160 right now and it’s like pulling teeth just to get them created.
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Hi Ben,
I started using HumanRewriter since last week and i noticed that there quality is not that good. I dont know if this is because of the delays but i got one article where i was sure it was plain Englisch when I delivered it and now It is some kind of klingon. It is my own fault I read the article to late, but my question is: What is the quality you are receiving from them? I also noticed they don’t give a crap about the keywords you ask them to use. Lol 2 articles they rewrote are already rejected from infobarrel and i had to rewrite them.
Keep up with what you are doing, I am watching every move you make and you are proof that internet marketing is not just a dream
Greetz, Alex Mayor
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Scarlett Reply:
August 14th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Alex, write to customer service about those poor rewrites you received. I reported one that was very poorly written and did not pass Copyscape, and I received a refund within 2 hours. Great customer service!
Having said that though, I was pretty annoyed when I logged in early this morning to submit more articles, and found that they’d raised their prices. Where a 40 word sentence used to cost $0.23, it’s now $0.33 - with no explanation for the increase. You’d think with all the extra business Ben has brought in, they’d be making so much money there’d be no reason to raise rates. :-/
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admin Reply:
August 14th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
dammit, they increased rates? And I still haven’t used my initial credits.
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Scarlett Reply:
August 14th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Yeah, it appears so. I compared with the rates I got from earlier articles (I was using 38-40 word sentences at $0.23 each), and they were all coming in at $0.33. So whereas I was writing long sentences before, it looks like topping off all sentences at 22 words apiece is how you’ll get the best rate now. Wish they’d have given notice though. I’m sure they had to bring in more writers to accommodate all the orders, but I’m sure they’re not hurting for money with all this business!
admin Reply:
August 14th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
hmm, for me, it comes down to 3 bucks an article. I am NOT going to go through all the trouble of finding and submitting an article, then editing it, etc for more than 3 bucks, at most 3.50. If I’m going to spend 5-10 minutes subitting a single article, I can almost do the article in that same time myself.
For a couple articles, it’s not a big deal. But when you are dealing with 400-1000 articles like me, it’s a big deal spending 10 minutes an article. I’d rather just hand someone a keyword list and pay the extra money if I know I get quality. Time is more valuable than money for me at this point.
I may give text brokers a go on their lowest tier. I need to assemble my own team of writers I guess.
admin Reply:
August 14th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
They were delivering pretty good quality to me for the most part. I haven’t ordered anything for 2 weeks though and during that time, they’ve been flooded with orders. Perhaps they’ve cut corners — I’m not sure. I’ll be ordering some more. If you have a problem, email them and complain — they are usually pretty good about fixing things. I’ve given instructions about keywords and most of the time, they’ve done what I’ve asked.
Making Money Online is defintely no dream. It takes a HELL of a lot of hard work, persistance, patience, a willingness to experiment, and some imagination. It’s not meant for everybody, but if you are willing to work and stick to it, you can do well. The key is really to think in terms of a couple years, not couple weeks or a month. If you approach this with a 1-2 year goal in mind, you are going to make money. But it’s hard for people to think long term.
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Scarlett Reply:
August 14th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
I’ll be interested to hear if you notice the same rate increase, Ben - not sure if it’s just because I only order a handful at a time, or if it’s a permanent rate hike. But I totally agree with you - between the time spent finding the article, editing it, then tweaking the sentences so they were each in the 22 word range, it was around the 30 minute mark. If I’m ordering a bunch of rewrites of the same article, that’s one thing - but it’s far too much work for just one or two rewrites. 2 star TextBroker articles are very hit and miss, and they charge $0.01 per word + a $0.15 service fee per article, but it’s the cheapest (decent quality) I’ve found yet. Wish there were more reliable and inexpensive options out there!
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Love your work Ben.
I have a Q; When you setup such a large volume of hosted sites how many IP’s do you spread these over?
One of the things that is slowing me down is time and cost of booking the domain in a new account, booking another hosting account, etc…
Love to hear your thoughts on this.
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admin Reply:
August 14th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
I just use a regular reseller account and a shared hosting account (i have two different hosts). They are probably all on the same C class IP for their networks. However, if you have the money to pony up, you can add unique IP’s to each website.
I’d say if you are really trying to protect your assets, it’s probably a good way to protect yourself. But unless you making significant coin online, I wouldn’t bother. The main thing is to make the money in the first place, then see where you stand.
If you have multiple adsense accounts, I would play it safe and have different hosting accounts tied to an adsense account, just to keep everything super separated.
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Niche Hunter Reply:
August 14th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Thx for the reply Ben - what you’ve described is pretty much how I’m playing it at the moment.
Part of the reason for diversifying my hosting and registrar info is so that, in the end, I will have a huge backlink network to play with… taking a lot of time though and I’m impressed with the speed and agility with which you are working…
Keep it up.
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OK, so I found your blog through Grizzly’s site today, and I spent a combined total of about 5 hours just reading everything you had up, same as I did with Grizzly’s site a while ago. I started this whole make money online thing about 2 months ago with non Internet Marketing stuff. I was originally doing a ton of Get Paid To sites and managed to find out about a job where I could work my butt off for immediate payment a la a real job instead of working a ton for no immediate payment at first, but then being able to cash out residually since then, as you’re doing. One way or another, I found out about how people are REALLY making money online. From the perspective of someone whose 2 months in I just want to tell you how inspiring you are to me. Mostly because I feel like I can do a similar amount of work to you.
I also found The Keyword Academy site about three days ago, watched all the videos yesterday, and compiled a list of a few keywords and was planning on doing his Hubchallenge in a similar way to your method- pump out a ton of hubs, even more than Court did, and get up to hopefully at least a 1/10 of his profits (I’m a pessimist by nature). I have to say I was doubting it would be possible, but after seeing you… Well, I believe!
I’ve got some not so urgent questions though that I figured I’d asked, just because I’m putting in for the long haul and plan to put out at least 10 hubs per day over the month. I’m going to quit my other “job” altogether, so hopefully I’ll have at least 12 hours to devote to making decent hubs per every day I don’t have class, when I’ll have about 8 hours. So my first question:
With all that content, how do you keep track of it all? Especially when you’re interlinking ezine articles and stuff?! Is that a benefit of a tool of some sort or do you just have a really good note taking system? Or maybe an eidetic memory, lol?
Secondly, how quickly do you link content? To see changes in earnings over the week, I would suspect you must either create a ton of hubs per day, and then create a ton of content for hubs previously created in the week (2-3 days prior) and then link that new content to the older hubs, and then the next day start again taking some of the hubs you created the day before and doing the same thing. Or do you just link right away/within a day of creating the hubs/barrels? I’ve learned a lot over the past month I’ve been feverishly devouring all the info I can on SEO techniques and strategies, but I’m still not sure on the time disconnect you should have for connecting content.
Thirdly:did you write ALL of your ezine articles, goarticles, and that kind of thing yourself. I think you mentioned earlier using UAW for one of them a few times, but it wasn’t clear to me? This is mostly out of curiosity for now, as I have literally no money to invest in anything, so I couldn’t UAW ezine or goarticles or other link building blocks myself other than by hand.
Finally, and this is kind of a two-parter; feel free to disregard it if it’ll give away some secrets or something, but how do you find your keywords?! I mean, the keywords that have a higher chance of banking for you? You mentioned you made your own kind of method from Court’s, I believe, but still, how do you find so many capable keywords with enough time to still make tons of hubs and barrels?!
My process, using Court’s method directly, is basically the Amazon, eBay, sitepoint etc. search for niches, but when I run with them, I get maybe a handful of keywords. Researching them all directly with the Google keyword tool and importing them into a spreadsheet and lining columns and the like takes about an hour, and in the end, after checking PRs and such, I find a whooping 10 keywords I can actually use by that method. Two hours in total for 10 keywords, of which a lot are the exact same except an “s” may be added to them (is it a good idea to still tackle them; that’s another question I’ve been meaning to ask someone, sorry, guess this is a three-parter, lol). Is there a better way, or will I just have to resign myself to the grind? I wouldn’t ask and just straight away resign to the grind, but when I consider that needing 100 hubs means needing 100 viable keywords and it takes me 2 hours to find 10 means that I would spend a whole DAY (and lose 4 hours of sleep) just searching up keywords. I’m willing to put in the time if there’s really no better way, but I figured I’d ask just in case. Again, feel free to decline if it would give away a key strategy of yours. Or if you want to be nice but not give away anything you can just say “Yeah, I have a better way”. Then again, maybe that wouldn’t be so nice as I’d probably spend another month trying to figure it out with just that vague bit, lol!
Alright, I won’t bother sucking up your time anymore. I thank you again for the inspiration, and hopefully, given a few months time, I’ll be where you are, at least in work accomplished (though hopefully I’ll earn a pretty penny too!).
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admin Reply:
August 14th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Wow, you win the award for the longest post on this board.
Ok, first thing. Don’t quit your job. That’s a big no no. I admire your passion, but it’s not a good idea to do this with the expectation of making money to cover your rent right away. I’ve managed to make money in a short period of time, sure. BUT, it’s I’ve been at this game for an entire year. I’ve spent months learning SEO and experimenting with sites. It’s taken me a “year” to figure this game out. I was doing IM for 6 months full time (while working) before really seeing money — though I was pulling in 300 or so a month for my efforts.
I always tell people, never quit your jobs until your are making more than you make at work AND you have a 6 month nest egg in case things go south. The reason is that, the brutal truth is, MMO is a pyramid with a few money makers at the top, a lot of people making beer money, and the rest bubble gum money. In the year I’ve been doing this, I’ve seen hundreds and hundreds of people fall by the wayside. If you ask any of the experienced IM’ers out there, they will tell you for every 100 that try to make money online, 90 give up, 9% make chump change, and 1% end up doing really well.
I always tell my readers to give it everything to be that 1% — you certainly can. I’ve done it, others have. But, you need to play it safe as well.
The best advice I can give for Making Money Online is don’t expect to make money with your sites for 1 year. I know you can make money faster, but think long term and you won’t give up when you don’t see results short term. Too many people start out with a bang then fitter out when the supposed instant money doesn’t flow. If you don’t expect money for 6 months or a year, you won’t give up when you don’t see instant results.
You can use a spread sheet to keep track of your sites. Watch court’s videos, he tell you how to do this exactly. For links, build them whenever, you can create 100 hubs, then go back and do the backlinking, or you can do them as you go. Hubs have authority, so you won’t do any harm throwing links at them.
Keyword research is just experience. You are going to have to pick a lot of rotten fruit before you find the rips ones in IM. Court teaches everything you need to know in regards to keyword research. The rest is your own experience and that takes time, effort, and trial and error. There is no shortcut here.
I do my own goarticles, hubpages, ezines, etc. Just work, a lot of work. Now, I can afford to outsource it.
Hope that helps
Ben
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Niche Hunter Reply:
August 14th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
Ben,
I totally 2nd every point you made in response to Broke Affiliate.
I’ve been at this for about 18 months, and like you I spent the first phase just reading, learning, testing and probably procrastinating a little because the options were quite overwhelming… Took about a year before I cracked $10 USD a day adsense - $300 per month.
About 6 months ago I started scaling up the whole operation as my confidence grew and things have been improving exponentially.
But my advice would be the same as yours - don’t quit day jobs or anything like that until you’ve tested the waters and proved your theories.
If I’d known what I know now back then I could have made money faster. But I didn’t, and it takes time to learn this stuff, time and hard work.
I should also add that I found your blog today Ben (via Griz) and have enjoyed reading everything. I’ll be checking in regularly.
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admin Reply:
August 15th, 2009 at 12:16 am
Multiple hosting accounts/lots of unique IP’s are great for backlink support. It’s pricey though. I’ll probably have 3-4 different hosting accounts with unique IP’s scattered around. For now though, just a few.
It’s totally true about the scaling. I find all your research, trial, and error is just to prepare you for the big stuff. Once you find a way to make money, it’s ALL about scaling to exponentially increase your earnings. The real money (and I’m still learning here, I’m not at Grizzly’s level yet, at least for 6 months
) comes by treating your MMO schemes as a business — which means scaling up, outsourcing etc. But, it takes a lot of trial and error and successes to gain the confidence to do this.
making online money will be a good process to do the work by sitting in a home.it will help in facing the extra expences.
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i found this site very nice!!!!
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Wow, longest post eh? Achievement unlocked!
Thanks for getting back to me, and don’t worry about me and job loss. I probably didn’t mention it in the last post, but I’m actually a lot younger than your standard make money onliner, I think- just turned 19 only a month after you started the blog- and the most I’d ever have to pay for is gas; I got a few school loans, but I managed to hit up some nice scholarships and my parents are helping out loads for College. I have no bills, so I figure I would jump into making money online right now instead of down the road and have to struggle to keep up with a regular job, rent, and etc. and still try and experiment with it like you have. Mostly because I don’t think I’ve got that kind of work ethic in me; you’re a machine man!
The “job” I’m leaving is an online one (ChaCha, if you’ve heard of it) that involves answering txt messages for about .03 per answer. If you work really hard and fast, then you can make just over $5 an hour with it. So 8 hours a day of very boring work only gets me $40, of which I don’t really need much of.
I know that was way more personal than you need to know, but I don’t want to kill your conscience by making you think you inadvertently influenced some 40-50 year old breadwinner he’d be able to quit his job and support his family after a couple of months. In 3 years, when I graduate, I hope I’ll have both learned everything I need to know about internet marketing and game and simulation programming (my major) to not have to really worry about finding a job!
But I’m going to take your advice and stop chatting it up here and get to cranking out some hubs.
~Broke Affiliate
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Yeah, this is really a great Site. And I totally agree with the Ben here and a few of the others and what they are saying..
It took me about a year of some solid work and researching and now I am earning about $300 to $400 a month with Adsense and CPA Products.
And like Ben said, YOU HAVE TO THINK LONG TERM WITH THIS !! Especially since Google makes you prove yourself over time.
And once you get that first decent amout of profit then you really get that confidence you need to take it to the next Level.
And like one other Poster said I totally concur with. And that is when I am making new Sites I could give a Rats ass if it does take a year or 2 before I see any decent Results with it. The reason being because I have other Sites that are already growing and Earning every month now. So this just takes the stress of me and makes me more patient to be able to wait for these Sites to succeed..
More or less you are building up a Pipeline. And once you get that pipeline going the money starts increasing exponentially and you scale up everything.
Visualize this guys…….Have you ever seen a Tennis Ball Machine or a baseball machine where you load the balls into the contraption and take practice swings. Well, that is what you are doing with this. You are building sites on a consistent long term basis and you flip the button and things get going, then its like a never ending cascade coming at you !!
Its great when you get to this Level. Very exciting !!
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Hey Ben, I have a question on writing articles for hubpages and infobarrel. How many different niches do you write on when you do that? Like for example out of 100 articles, how many of those are written about the same niche?
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Hi.. Just dropped in since I noticed that hubpages is getting constantly less and less traffic when days go by, even if I have been done some more backlink work (UAW + BLS) on some of the hubs. Maybe there is some kind of G-punishment going on. This has also resulted in lower earning days, although the high days are getting higher, the low days are getting lower (anywhere from $30 to as low as $4)… Have you noticed anything similar with your thousands of hubs?
I’ll shift my focus on infobarrel and hope that they will do something about the ad layout in the near future.
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admin Reply:
August 18th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Phillip, I can’t say either way. Traffic has sort of levelled off for me — but I have not been promoting my hubs in a while. I was banking a bit on domain authority increasing the traffic, but that does not seem to be happening (might be too early to say).
One way to prevent this is to make sure all your properties are backed up woth links. I’ve been a bit lax and need to spend a solid week making sure I send as many backlinks as I can afford time wise to send to the hubs. This is especially true now that every person and his or her mother is making hubs now. The competition is much stronger. Before if there were just 2 hubs on a topic, there are 50 hubs. The two guys with the most backinks will show up in the serps. The solution is to take matters into your own hands and backlink. But, there is a fine balence. More than a few backlinks, and I’d say it’s just better to rank your own blog instead.
UAW/BS I have mixed feelings about. You really should not send these types of links to any of your sites with adsense. Support blogs, may be ok, but it’s even better to look support blogs squeeky clean. These networks can be effective for some quick ranking, but no way in hell I would touch any site I care about with them. I ran UAW+AMA on one of my potental money sites and google knocked it back 100 spots exactatly. Not happening again. Hubpages you may be able to get away with because the domain has a lot of trustrank from google, but…
I’ll say this right now, if you are putting your bets only hubs you are building a house of cards– you are going to be at the mercy of hubpage’s policies, google’s treatment of hubpages, etc. If you are making 15-30 bucks a day with hubapges, I would switch your focus to your own blogs asap — it’s MUCH safer and you are the one in control. I’ve switched most of my focus to my own sites and it’s paying off big time.
For anyone here, I’d say it’s better to make 300 self hosted sites (or even blogger blogs — i’ll be testing this very soon) than 300 hubs. Hubs are a good way to easily feel out if niche is good for adsense CTR, etc so they are useful. But if you are banking on hubs only to make money with, no. Use them the way they should be used: to feel out niches.
I’m not saying hubpages are a bad investment, but I think you should spend more time ranking your own sites then creating hubpages, the payoff is just so much better in the long term. At the very least, spend 50 percent of the time creating your own sites.
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Phillip Reply:
August 18th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
I never really stopped making my own sites.. At first it was probably 75% of time with hubs and 25% with sites… now it is 90% with my own sites and less than 10% with hubs. It was just a way to get some cash to fund my online business - now I can afford services like bls and a reseller hosting account etc…
btw. I recently (three weeks ago) started a niche blog in a low competition niche with about a thousand searches a month for the keyword I was targeting. I am getting traffic for all sorts of related and similar keywords (about 6-10 unique per day) but I have a ridiculous CTR of 75%-150%.. It is a high paying niche so those 6-15 clicks that I am getting are ranging anywhere from .50 to $5 each. The question is that in your opinion is it wise to keep the adsense on the site or should I take I take it off for now? Am I risking having the site getting a “human review”?
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Scarlett Reply:
August 19th, 2009 at 1:43 am
Ben, if you’re not using UAW, AMA or BS for your money sites, how do you recommend getting quality backlinks? Are you just using HubPages, IB, Ezine Articles, farm blogs and Linkvana for all your link-building efforts?
I’m a TKA’er so I’m curious how your process differs.
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Phillip Reply:
August 19th, 2009 at 3:22 am
I am not Ben, but basically you can do a lot with ezines, IBs, hubs, and that boatload of free blogging and websiet services. build a mini niche blog with all of the free services and use the link networks on those sites and articles (which don’t have adsense on them). That way you can have about a hundred good quality links to your site, with most niches this is enough.
Sounds like a lot of work, but when you put only 3-5 posts that are 150-300 words long on each blog it is not as much as it sounds. The quality does not have to be great,and you can outsource the work if you have the money… If you want to make the sites stronger you can start sending ezine links, hubpage links and infobarrel links to them.. And the list goes on…
admin Reply:
August 19th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Philip has it right, you can do quite well ONLY with free web 2.0 properties. This can work for low to no comp niches. But if you are trying to tackle a niche with some competition or start an authority site, you are going to need a wide link portfolio. The more links across different C class IP’s (read different IP’s), the more effective your links will be. Grizzly uses quite a few free blogging services to generate links.
There are probably 5-6 different web 2.0 properties I use, but I draw the line there — there are only a handful of of web 2.0 that have some Trust Rank in google’s eyes. The majority of them do not, which means the link juice you get is not that good and for me, is not worth the time I spend writing an article for.
I highly suggest you do not run UAW, AMA, BS to your money sites or any site that you have adsense on. The reason is that many of those blogs that are part of those networks may be part of someone’s link/blog farm which they have generously “donated” to the network. Google normally does not penalize people for having bad 1 way links coming to them (after all, your competitor could be trying to get you deindexed by sending bad links to you), but Google will treat sites that it suspects connected with link farms in a different way — in this case 1 way links from link farms could cause a deindex of the money site. AMA, UAW, BS links are not to be trusted. They are great to run on supporting blogs (better 3rd tier, but 2nd tier without adsense is ok) or for pumping up minisites or ezines, which usually have a lot of trust rank and can support a large amount of links coming in in a short period of time.
For sites I care about (niche blogs with potential/authority sites), I start off with a base of web 2.0 links. 5 ezines, 5 hubpages, 5 infobarrels, 5 squidoo, 5 goarticles. However, it’s a good idea to focus on other links as well.
There’s a bit of a link hierarchy when it comes to getting links. Note that for most of these, (except for blog roll) the are all one way links.
1. Links from directly related authority sites (hardest to get but pack the MOST juice big time. If you are targeting “cheapest dog food” and you get a link from “bestdogfood.com”. 10-20 of these and your site will be an authority site too for that keyword)
2. Links from related authority sites(some of these may be somewhat related. I.e. your niche is dogfood and you get a link from a pet site)
3. Links from non-related authority site (these can help for sure and are usually what most people end up getting)
4. Links from your own support blogs (if you can get links, then make your own support blogs. Blogger.com blogs are good for this or self hosted domains etc. The key with a true support blog is to build up enough links that it stand on it’s own and gets authority. A hubpage with 1-2 links to it is NOT a support blog).
5. Minisites (ezine/hubpbages,etc)
6. Blog Farms
8. Directly links/Article Directories/Bookmarking Links
9. Backlink networks
10. Blog Rolls
11. SP*M (ONLY to 4th tier blogs — but I don’t recommend doing this if you are whitehat)
Court has a good process for going about Niche Blogs — you really can’t go wrong with it. Court really plays it safe with his forumula and it’s going to take a few months to see results. I don’t follow it since I have my own much faster way of making a lot of money with niche blogs, but for people starting out, follow Court’s way of doing something. They key is to make sure you have enough patience to last you 3 month to a year.
Scarlett Reply:
August 19th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Ben, your clarification is super helpful - thank you so much for taking the time! My confusion was that Court *does* recommend using UAW to point links to money sites, so it’s interesting to see a different perspective. I really need to get off my ass and create my support blogs already. That’s the idea I find most daunting - more sites, more things to keep track of, yikes! =)
admin Reply:
August 19th, 2009 at 9:46 am
No, I don’t agree that you should send UAW links to the money site. I’m not saying it won’t help improve your ranking or make you more money (UAW is great for pumping up related keywords — or as Court calls them, cousin keywords), but it’s a risky business. If you are in this for the long term, you want to make sure you give no excuse for google (or your competition) to get you deindexed. In uncompetative niches, there may not be a problem. But if you are in a cut throat niche and ranking, you can BET your competition will be looking at your link profile. Anything shady WILL be reported to google. Trust me, you don’t want someone’s blog farm blogs pointing to your money site in this situation (and that’s bound to happen with AMA/BS/UAW blogs).
Ben,
Couple of updates on my ND experiments. I am seeing them get indexed and stay indexed now. I do change all teh footprint on every site. I also change meta tages, and titles in the header.html so everything is as unique as possible. No cheap, etc in the domain names either.
I have about 200 up and running, and after the initial deindexcraze, things seem to have leveled out for now.
One experiment I am doing now is to get preowned with thousands of indexed pages and slap on a nd site. I usually get instant traffic that way, and if the url has the keyword, and the indexed pages have keywords in them, Im good.
With regard to smart pricing, one thing Vic mentioned to me once was that you may not be getting .03 clicks across the network, but if you are, that means you are probably lowering the total potential across the network. The $3 click you got could have been $6.
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admin Reply:
August 18th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Hi Matt. Are you sending them backlinks? My problem is that while I have 130 up, a significant portion (probably half) have buying keywords in the domain and my otehr 80 domains I was going to put up have “cheap” in them. I’m wondering if it’s even worth puttin up the other 70 domains. I am getting 40 or so ebay clicks a day from my sites, and I made a little money. But I may need a reboot on the domain names. If i can find the time, i’m going to send a BMD run onto the sites and see if they index, but if not, I’m thinking most of them are dead.
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matt2257 Reply:
August 18th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Ben,
I do a directory submission, a bmd run, and a few link network runs.
I see the in flux of traffic from the markov, then it steadies out.
I would throw them all up. Hell, even if they get deindexed, you will get bing and yahoo traffic. I fyou are getting 40 clicks from your sites, then you are going to kill it.
Based on your track record and relentless work, this is a no brainer for you.
I have deindexed sites with cheap in the domain, and in the metatags and I make decent bank with ebay.
I’d pay you to teach me how to get a site with 40 clicks…I make money with the trickle traffic, to me, 40 clicks is like a flood LOL…!!!
On another note, how can I entice you to leave some crumbs re: your instant traffic adsense strategy…. Im starting to get back to working mini snipers as well so I can diversify my epn ND sites!
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Hey Ben, just wanted to ask you a question about IB.
I’ve had over 20 articles rejected by them now, and I’m getting pretty fed up. I’ve got over 50 of them to be sent off, got 11 accepted so far and I’ve had various people proof read my work so that it makes sense.
Got 180 hubs up, just need to actually post most god damn backlinks, and was wondering from your take if I should hassle with IB (create a new account if there’s any point to that?) or just send them of to Ezine and have 2 Ezines pointing to each hub. Thanks!
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admin Reply:
August 18th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Hi Crashing. I can tell you for sure that Infobarrel wants to keep their authority and trustworthy levels as high as possible in the eyes of the search engines. They are being very picky right now about english and grammar — this is especially true if your English is not native level (i.e. you are from another country). Quite a few people I know who are non-native English (not sure if you are or not) are getting their articles rejected. I’d like to say there is some fix, but it’s hard to improve writing to a certain level without a lot of work.
I can say for sure you need to make sure your titles are good and you don’t keyword stuff your posts — that’s an easy way to get rejected.
If you are finding IB too hard to get into, I’d say dump your articles on Ezines — they offer a lot of authority. 2 ezines per hub is fine, or you can create 1 GoArtice/Squidoo and one Ezine. Actually, i’d say mix between GoArticles and Ezine. Squidoo is also decent, but it’s a bitch to get them indexed now.
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Grace Reply:
August 19th, 2009 at 12:28 am
Crashin - I am pretty sure that your English is not your problem but it may be your subject matter.
Something I just noticed about getting Squidoo lenses indexed at the moment - I made one recently that I pinged sent backlinks to etc. and cannot get indexed. However some that I made for someone else that only have one backlink each and that is in a blogroll on a new wp blog that has had NO promotion - are all indexed and getting google traffic.
Today I am putting a link to my not indexed lens on one of my blogs and will see how long it takes to get indexed.
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I mentioned this before re: Hubs. A few months ago thousands of people hit Hubpages almost overnight attempting to build 30, 100, 1000 Hubs. The purpose for those hubs is singular. Snipe a Keyword(Google hates that) and draw adsense clicks with a single easy to make page (Google hates that even more).
Does anyone here believe that this activity creeped under G’s radar???????
Just askin ☺☻☺☻
I could be wrong but I stopped at around 25 Hubs when I realized what was happening, now I use them to test search traffic. It is cool to discover a really long tail that gets a ton of searches that nobody could have ever thought of. Hubs are great for that.
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admin Reply:
August 19th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
I agree BK, my personal opinion is that Hubpages are on the decline. I believe, like Philip was mentioning, there may be a decline in traffic, it’s not a big hit yet and I suppose you can mitigate the effects by sending backlinks to every hub you have. I can’t say for SURE something is happening, but I have noticed something. It could simply be a lack of links on my part, the natural shifting of the SERP’s, or even just a bad month, etc.
But, if people are doing what I said and making hubs only a supplemental source of income while focusing primarly on their own sites, this won’t hurt them. I fear though that this is not the case, judging from all the excitment about hubs on various MMO forums. Alas, if 95% of your income is coming only from hubs, woe to you.
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Phillip Reply:
August 20th, 2009 at 7:13 am
I am seeing a steady traffic decrease in my analytics curves even though I am getting better conversion and higher CPC. Last weeks low days were probably because of the SERP shuffle that was going on. Although I will stop putting up hubs except for backlinks, as they still seem to carry some value.
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admin Reply:
August 20th, 2009 at 7:49 am
Yea, it’s hard to say either way. It’s clear the google knew/knows what went on with the whole hubpage fiasco. They don’t like I’Mers and SEO’s because we screw up the “natural” ranking system of Google’s search engine. With thousands (hundreds of thousands) of new hubs all trying to target keywords, there are a lot of hubs clogging up the index. Google will have to do something/ maybe is doing something.
I’m still going to be using hubs, but at this point they are only to search out niches not to bring in the cash. I’m putting my money on my own sites and authority blogs.
Phillip Reply:
August 20th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
The big problem with deindexing or slapping hubpages is that there are a lot of good quality hubs with a lot of information that is very useful. You can’t just throw that stuff away from the first SERP; that would not provide the search engine user with what they are looking for. Maybe when the useless keyword-sniper-hubs outnumber the other content that they are providing… maybe then…
The funny thing is if I did get a few hubs that were really doing well I was going to pull Adsense and send the traffic to my self hosted site.
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Wow, you are magical dude!! Sorry that I don’t have enough time to write about my excitement reading your blog, but I will write an article about you and your teachings on my blog to tell my readers about you and your experiments.
oH and also dont tell the exact details of course of what you do, GOOD to keep it for yourself. Just by readin your articles you already give good plans and ideas of what to do, its enogh dude!!
and by the way, I got a pagerank of 1 on a blog with only one 300 word article that is 1 month old!, god bless
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Ben,
I found you through Griz’s website and would like to thank you for all of the information you offer.
I’m starting my network and would appreciate your thoughts on how and why someone should use different account names and email addresses when setting up websites (i.e. 1,000 blogger blogs (like Griz), 1,500 wordpress blogs, 500 self hosted blogs, 2,000 hubs, 1,200 info barrels). That would be a lot of account names. Are we trying to hide our network from other IM’s or Google, or Both?
Also, you said to have no more than $100 to $200 daily per Adsense account. Why can’t you have 1,000 websites making $10,000 on your account?
I am a member of Court’s KWA, I have read your site, Griz’s, and Vic’s, but I just can’t visualize how to setup my network.
I would appreciate any help from you or your readers.
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Adsense lover Reply:
August 20th, 2009 at 4:16 am
Yes, I am not making $10 every day still. If i ever reach $100 from adsense i will shift for authority blog.
I never saw any website owner has more then 200 adsense id. Once i saw 1300 chitika id. on one blogger blog. I shocked because that blog is only ten pages professional type.
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admin Reply:
August 20th, 2009 at 7:55 am
KC, you are going to have to make a spreadsheet to keep track of ALL your sites. That`s the only way. You can group everything by niches. You don`t have to use different account names for every site, but you want to leave as little a footprint as possible. If you have the same ID plastered everywhere (your sites, hubpages,infobarrel,blogger, etc), it`s easy to track all your properties yes, but it`s also very easy for people to find you too.
My 100-200 is just a personal rule. But, if all your sites are tied to the same adsense account, google can track everything you do with a click. You are in danger of losing your income in one fell swoop. It`s better to break it up into chunks so that if one adsense or network goes down, you are still getting money
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Ben - question - do you intend to keep all your bazillions of sites or will you flip them down the track? I am thinking about keeping the good ones and selling the average ones - just to keep the admin under control and also selling a site at 10X monthly earnings is a nice pile of $$$
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admin Reply:
August 24th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Hi lissie — I guess I would take a look at if a site is producing or not. It’s kind of tempting to sell off 100 or so sites. I’m not sure what you can command from a niche blog in terms of revenue — 10x the monthly earnings? I’d probably like to see at least 250-500 bucks if I sell a mediocre site — for the good quality content and the domain. I’m not sure what the going rate for those types of site are, especially if they don’t see too much in terms of revenue. I did have someone offer me 300 bucks for one of my domains after I put a site up. I declined though. Considering that it took almost 4 hours to create the site, I didn’t feel 300 was worth the effort I put into the site.
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lissie Reply:
August 24th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
The approach I am using at the moment is claiming 8-11X of monthly earnings if you have 60 days proof of income and unique well written content with lots of long-tails. I’m not using WordPress though - just little sites which are easy to transfer. Havent got to the 60 days yet but I have been watching flippa and sites do sell for those figures - so $2/day niche $660 odd
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Ben,
Can u give me your thoughts on a ‘link wheel’ as described by this page here: http://moneyideas.us/2009/03/linkwheel-method.html.
I’ve probably put too many web 2.0 links up to my main site (that doesn’t have adsense nor any afflitate products - just a service that i’m offering). i’m now goign to pump out some massive links to these 2.0 sites. I’m just wondering if there’s a concern interlinking them….
thanks a lot for the value your give to the world mate!
also, i have a proposal for you, could u send me an email?
Paul
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admin Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Linkwheel is a pretty much a “Warrior” forum term for an old idea. A link wheel is just a modified blog farm using web 2.0’s. I *hear* many people finding some sucess with these strategies. Basically, you can build a lot of juice. There are some automated programs like SeNuke which do the link wheeling for you automatically. I’m tossing up subscribing for a few months and seeing what you can do. A lot of people claim success with this, but since they follow that sucess story with an affiliate link, you need to be careful.
I have a friend who is experimenting with link wheeling and SeNuke on sites and I’m going to give it a go. There is really nothing magical — just a lot of links pointing to focus hubs, which in tern link to other focus hubs, and so on. My concern is that’ it’s easy to see exactly what’s going on. One just has to follow the link wheel around the circle of properties.
The standard blog farm is a pyamid. Since everything only points up, it’s easier to mask what you are doing. You can bet it’s easy for google to discouver a link wheel and they HATE blog farms. I would NEVER touch a money site with a link wheel. But for pumpin up support sites with no atsense that link to money sites, it can be pretty effective.
If you want to reach me, you can email makemoneyonlinewithseo@gmail.com
Cheers!
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I really liked reading your post about this, and I saw a few others as well - very informative and useful information without a bunch of BS!
I’ll be sure to give this URL to some friends
Thanks Again
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December 12th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
thanks mate!
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